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    Where is all this technical praise for Denzel, am I missing something?

    He’s playing a character with Aspergers syndrome, and it’s very obvious while watching it. He can’t rely on his usual mannerisms or behavior patterns in this performance. It’s a very technical performance, though subtly played. He takes on a number of physical tics to basically make himself convincing as an awkward nerd. He even completely changes the way he walks. It’s impressive stuff. From The Washington Post review of Roman J Israel, Esq about how he transforms himself in the role:

    ” With his shapeless Afro, aviator glasses and frumpy suits, Israel is a throwback, as his electric typewriter and posters of Bayard Rustin and Angela Davis attest. Portrayed by Washington in a physical performance that transforms his face and body into an unrecognizable collection of ungainly gestures and nerdy, antisocial tics, Israel is clearly on the autism spectrum, a “savant,” as one colleague calls him, best suited to researching and filing briefs rather than arguing in court. He’s analog in a digital world, a social-justice warrior whose lifelong wish for mass action and revolutionary change feels retrograde but also, when he ventures into present-day life, oddly of the moment”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/goingoutguide/movies/in-roman-j-israel-esq-denzel-washington-plays-a-knight-in-tarnished-armor/2017/11/21/c665ed7e-ca4a-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.5dfe773db2d1

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    Philip
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    I wouldn’t call that a massive technical praise, but okay.

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    I wouldn’t call that a massive technical praise, but okay.

    The point is it’s a technical performance, and there’s not an actor on earth who will not recognise the intricacies of that. One of the incredible things about his performance is the level of restraint he applies to it. It’s very obvious watching him act as Roman, that if he wanted to go whole hog like Sean Penn in I Am Sam or Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man and make the performance all about the tics, he could do it in his sleep. Instead, he makes sure the tics are visible, but not overbearing, and allows the character to have a personality beyond his autism.

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    My impression is that the Chalamet we see on press junkets is vastly different from the character of Elio, down to his voice and diction. And he didn’t even undergo any physical transformation for the role, which is what impresses me.

    It’s the most refreshing performance from an actor in recent memory, with a sense of complete openness to the camera.

    But SAG will probably go to Oldman.

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    @distain

    We get it, you loved his performance. Just because he has tics, doesn’t mean that he has the most technical performance of the year. I can make an argument for all the contenders why they have the technical performance of the year. All acting had a technical aspect to it. Washington’s are just much more visible.

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    I’d hate a Chalamet win. Oldman is the best performance of the year and you know it. Why are you trying to convince everybody Chalamet is better? I mean, he’s charming and all, but come on. Oldman acts circles around him.

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    I’d hate a Chalamet win. Oldman is the best performance of the year and you know it. Why are you trying to convince everybody Chalamet is better? I mean, he’s charming and all, but come on. Oldman acts circles around him.

    Well, not really, since if he had the performance of the year, wouldn’t Oldman be sweeping the awards thus far?

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    I’d hate a Chalamet win. Oldman is the best performance of the year and you know it. Why are you trying to convince everybody Chalamet is better? I mean, he’s charming and all, but come on. Oldman acts circles around him.

    Well, not really, since if he had the performance of the year, wouldn’t Oldman be sweeping the awards thus far?

     

    Oh, darling, isn’t he ahead with more wins than Chalamet? And if you say so about Oldman, you should be saying the same for Chalamet. If Timothée had the performance of the year, wouldn’t he be sweeping the awards thus far?

     

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    @distain

    We get it, you loved his performance. Just because he has tics, doesn’t mean that he has the most technical performance of the year. I can make an argument for all the contenders why they have the technical performance of the year. All acting had a technical aspect to it. Washington’s are just much more visible.

    I didn’t say it was the most technical performance of the year. I obviously have placed Oldman ahead of him in this group, based on technical level of difficulty.

    But in this group of 5 SAG nominated actors, it’s at worst the 2nd most technically difficult performance to pull off. And trust me, that makes a difference to actors, and makes him a viable threat to upset in this category. I think Denzel’s work is more emotionally resonant than Oldman’s, but that’s a bit more subjective than the technical aspect.

    I haven’t seen every lead actor performance this year, so I have no clue who gives “the most technical performance of the year”. For all I know, it could be Jake Gyllenhaal in Stronger, whom I haven’t seen yet. But I’m only handicapping this group of actors that I’ve actually seen.

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    Lol, okay. Obviously only the outside aspects of acting are technical to you. Just because a performance doesn’t have tics or tons of makeup, doesn’t make their performance less technical.

    Just because you can’t see certain actors processess, you don’t know what went into their performances. Often the ones that look the easiest, are some of the hardest.

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    @dameaudrey I never claimed anything. No one can have the performance of the year unless they win EVERYTHING. Art is subjective, hence why no one actually wins every award given out in a single year.

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    Lol, okay. Obviously only the outside aspects of acting are technical to you. Just because a performance doesn’t have tics or tons of makeup, doesn’t make their performance less technical. Just because you can’t see certain actors processess, you don’t know what went into their performances. Often the ones that look the easiest, are some of the hardest.

    Really?  Well I found much more difficult to play Winston Churchill, give it some layers of deepness and do it amazingly rather than to play some random teen boy who only has one emotional scene.

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    Hmm..going off on what’s been happening lately Chalamet will take it probably. The role as resonated with people and Hollywood loves to market headlines. If I’m not mistaken Chalamet winning would make history for the youngest actor to win lead role.

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    Lol, okay. Obviously only the outside aspects of acting are technical to you. Just because a performance doesn’t have tics or tons of makeup, doesn’t make their performance less technical. Just because you can’t see certain actors processess, you don’t know what went into their performances. Often the ones that look the easiest, are some of the hardest.

    Really? Well I found much more difficult to play Winston Churchill, give it some layers of deepness and do it amazingly rather than to play some random teen boy who only has one emotional scene.

    In your opinion, Darling.

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    Hmm..going off on what’s been happening lately Chalamet will take it probably. The role as resonated with people and Hollywood loves to market headlines. If I’m not mistaken Chalamet winning would make history for the youngest actor to win lead role.

    Which works against him, best actress normally goes younger, Actor normally goes older.

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