Home Forums Movies SCREENPLAY Adapted and Original

SCREENPLAY Adapted and Original

CREATE A NEW TOPIC
CREATE A NEW POLL
Viewing 15 posts - 241 through 255 (of 300 total)
Created
5 months ago
Last Reply
3 weeks ago
299
replies
18292
views
76
users
Gabe Guarin
47
John Berchmans
42
Riley Chow
19
  • John Berchmans
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jan 22nd, 2018
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203315478

    You are really siding with the academy on that one? Moonlight is “adapted” from an unproduced draft of a script and the original writer has sole “Story By” credit on Moonlight. This is the kind of thing that happens all the time in film. A studio hires somebody to write a draft, then they get someone else to rewrite it. The film does not become an “adaptation” of the earlier draft—that is why the “Story By” credit exists. The film does not have a “Based on the Play By” credit as such. It was only stupidly reclassified by the Oscars because the media ran with the narrative that Moonlight was based on some play because nobody ever read the original draft and they assumed that it was a play because the writer has made a career as a playwright. You can even find an interview with him in which he says, “First of all, it was never a play.”

    I don’t play judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to the Adapted vs Original argument. If the Academy decides that a Screenplay is Adapted than the other, less important precursors need to shut their mouths and follow suit. WGA’s disagreements with the Academy just feel like a whiny child trying to get the last word over their parent. (Same thing goes for category fraud in the Acting categories btw).

    Academy-Award winners:

    Parasite: Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Original Screenplay

    Joker: Best Actor - Joaquin Phoenix

    Jojo Rabbit: Best Adapted Screenplay

    ReplyCopy URL
    Gabriel Guarin
    Participant
    Joined:
    Feb 23rd, 2017
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203315741

    I want to be with you because the WGA is normally predictive, but they were just so wildly off base last year that I cannot trust them. The same goes for Scripter, so I need Little Women to sweep all of these precursors before I predict it for the Oscars over Jojo Rabbit, as I do not trust them individually. Parasite can lose everything from now to the Oscars and I would probably still predict it for Original Screenplay because it got that SAG-ACE combination and WGA going for anything else can be too easily dismissed after last year, not to mention that a Korean film is going to have a harder time with the more populist WGA membership than the elitist academy.

    Your loss. If the WGA and Scripter was more frequently off base I’d be with you but I see no evidence why they’d do such a thing again. And it’s rare that a screenplay loses all the precursor prizes and then goes on to win the Original Screenplay Oscar anyways, especially when a competing contender is winning everything else. You just want Parasite to win and don’t want Hollywood to win.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Gabriel Guarin
    Participant
    Joined:
    Feb 23rd, 2017
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203315780

    I feel like it’s possible and that really annoys me. WGA can be really random sometimes: awarding Moonlight in Original when it should be in Adapted, giving the award last year to Eight Grade even though that film wasn’t even nominated, etc. But I’m not sure they live Rian and Knives Out enough to reward it. On the other hand, Parasite’s love has been proven with wins at SAG and ACE, so it seems more likely WGA will want to reward it as well. If for some reason Parasite doesn’t win WGA I’ll probably switch my predictions for Best Picture to 1917. I just don’t see Once winning with no major guilds and bleeding momentum, even if it wins Screenplay.

    I just can’t switch to 1917 based on the actors’ branch. At the end of the day, the actors’ branch is the largest branch of the Academy, and with the bad luck of previous war films like Born on the Fourth of July, Saving Private Ryan and Dunkirk (the first two won their directors Oscars), I’m not entirely convinced that 1917 can escape the curse. Once Upon a Time has its own hurdles for sure, but just because SAG didn’t reward it doesn’t mean the actors can’t appreciate it. If it was totally out of the race, it wouldn’t have won Critics’ Choice. And it’s surely gonna win at ADG and Costume Designers Guild, which must count for something.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Riley Chow
    Keymaster
    Joined:
    Oct 11th, 2010
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203315821

    If the Academy decides that a Screenplay is Adapted than the other, less important precursors need to shut their mouths and follow suit. WGA’s disagreements with the Academy just feel like a whiny child trying to get the last word over their parent.

    The academy is not the parent of the WGA.

    You just want Parasite to win and don’t want Hollywood to win.

    There is no point in discussing with you if you are just going to dismiss me as being biased.

    ReplyCopy URL
    SN
    Participant
    Joined:
    Dec 7th, 2014
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203315830

    If WGA will make a Eighth Grade like decision, it will be Booksmart, not Knives Out.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Gabriel Guarin
    Participant
    Joined:
    Feb 23rd, 2017
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203315866

    If WGA will make a Eighth Grade like decision, it will be Booksmart, not Knives Out.

    Booksmart doesn’t have the same hype as Knives Out.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Eddy Q
    Participant
    Joined:
    Oct 13th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203316241

    I don’t play judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to the Adapted vs Original argument. If the Academy decides that a Screenplay is Adapted than the other, less important precursors need to shut their mouths and follow suit. WGA’s disagreements with the Academy just feel like a whiny child trying to get the last word over their parent. (Same thing goes for category fraud in the Acting categories btw).

    Then I guess we should all consider Whiplash an adaptation as Damien Chazelle time-travelled to the future to make his short film, then went back in time again and wrote his screenplay based on that. That was basically the Academy’s logic, though of course they didn’t put it like that. But who am I to question them? They’re automatically right, as you indicated.

    ReplyCopy URL
    John Berchmans
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jan 22nd, 2018
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203316246

    I just can’t switch to 1917 based on the actors’ branch. At the end of the day, the actors’ branch is the largest branch of the Academy, and with the bad luck of previous war films like Born on the Fourth of July, Saving Private Ryan and Dunkirk (the first two won their directors Oscars), I’m not entirely convinced that 1917 can escape the curse. Once Upon a Time has its own hurdles for sure, but just because SAG didn’t reward it doesn’t mean the actors can’t appreciate it. If it was totally out of the race, it wouldn’t have won Critics’ Choice. And it’s surely gonna win at ADG and Costume Designers Guild, which must count for something.

    I can’t get over that either, which is why I’m predicting Parasite to win Picture. But Parasite needs to win Original Screenplay to pull off that upset, and that won’t happen without WGA.

    As for Once, you’re citing Guikd Awards that don’t really matter. Globes and Critic’s Choice are good for some categories like Acting and Directing, but the most accurate precursors are the big 4 guilds: PGA, DGA, SAG Cast, and WGA. ACE is also important, since editing is a Top 5 branch. Once won’t win any, which in my opinion is a lot worse than Parasite losing the major precursors (especially since it was ineligible for Globe drama) but winning two of the 4 major guilds and ACE. Guild wins indicate that both Parasite and 1917 have the advantage on the preferential ballot with major groups in the Academy, while Once’s wins at the Globes and Critic’s Choice are from different organizations and don’t overlap as much. Even if it does win ADG and CDG (I’m predicting Little Women in the latter), Costume and Production designers are not goinf to be the votes that decide the Best Picture winner. They’re much smaller branches.

    Academy-Award winners:

    Parasite: Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Original Screenplay

    Joker: Best Actor - Joaquin Phoenix

    Jojo Rabbit: Best Adapted Screenplay

    ReplyCopy URL
    Gabriel Guarin
    Participant
    Joined:
    Feb 23rd, 2017
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203317384

    I can’t get over that either, which is why I’m predicting Parasite to win Picture. But Parasite needs to win Original Screenplay to pull off that upset, and that won’t happen without WGA.

    Of course, there’s the possibility that Once Upon a Time wins Original Screenplay, and Parasite still wins Best Picture without winning Director or Original Screenplay, instead just winning International Film and maybe Editing. But I’d honestly need to see that to believe it; when’s the last time a split like that has happened? Even with WGA I don’t think that’ll put Parasite out front to win Original Screenplay, it needs both WGA and BAFTA to be a frontrunner, but 1. Winning the Original Screenplay BAFTA will be even harder for Parasite than winning WGA, and 2. Even if it wins both, it’s by no means a lock; just look at Grand Budapest Hotel.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Gabriel Guarin
    Participant
    Joined:
    Feb 23rd, 2017
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203317785

    Jojo Rabbit and The Irishman could split votes, making more room for Little Women.

    ReplyCopy URL
    Riley Chow
    Keymaster
    Joined:
    Oct 11th, 2010
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203317889

    That would not be a vote-split.

    ReplyCopy URL
    GermanGuidanceSystem
    Participant
    Joined:
    Jan 28th, 2014
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203317894

    That would not be a vote-split.

    You know, I think Gabriel and I had a very similar disagreement a bit earlier on the Below The Line Predictions thread!

    Edit: C&P below:

    January 28, 2020 at 6:30 pm#1203317628
    GermanGuidanceSystem wrote:
    It doesn’t strike me as immediately obvious why 1917 and Parasite, in particular, would vote split.

    If any couple from that trio were to vote split why those particular two?

    From the five nominees (The Irishman, Jojo Rabbit, 1917, OUATIH, Parasite), there’s probably more likely potential vote split couples than 1917 & Parasite.

    Let’s see:

    The Irishman, JR, 1917, and OUATIH are all period pieces.

    The Irishman, and OUATIH are both American period pieces.

    JR, and 1917 are both set during (different) major 20th century wars.

    JR, OUATIH, and Parasite are all black or dark or dramatic comedy films.

    (There probably many more sets. The above are just the ones that have most readily come to mind.)

    If I were to pick out a few couples I would go:

    JR and 1917 – they both have an anti-war message, with one set in World War 1, and the other in World War II. Both European (set).

    The Irishman, and OUATIH – they both are nostalgic American period pieces concentrating on mature white men given to lethal force.

    JR, and Parasite – both a bit different, quirky, novel, and difficult to classify. Maybe both concerned more obviously with family life?

    ReplyCopy URL
    oscarin7
    Participant
    Joined:
    Dec 25th, 2016
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203317938

    Jojo Rabbit and The Irishman could split votes, making more room for Little Women.

    As each day passes I’m more convinced Little Women will win Best Adapted Screenplay. It makes me very happy because if that happens Greta Gerwig will soon be an Oscar winner!

    ReplyCopy URL
    Eddy Q
    Participant
    Joined:
    Oct 13th, 2012
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203318017

    Jojo Rabbit and The Irishman could split votes, making more room for Little Women.

    You could just as easily say any two of the nominees could split votes. What do Jojo Rabbit and The Irishman have in common?

    ReplyCopy URL
    dgma793181
    Participant
    Joined:
    Oct 24th, 2019
    Topics:
    Posts:
    #1203318094

    The Two Popes
    Joker
    Joker
    Joker/Jojo Rabbit
    Little Women
    Little Women
    Little Women
    Jojo Rabbit

    https://www.screendaily.com/features/awards-whispers-who-are-our-bafta-and-ampas-members-voting-for/5146650.article

    ReplyCopy URL
Viewing 15 posts - 241 through 255 (of 300 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Similar Topics
Jason Lee - Feb 26, 2020
Movies
OCC Pod... - Feb 25, 2020
Movies
Asgaroth - Feb 25, 2020
Movies