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    The question is Why didn’t Pan’s Labyrinth win best foreign language film despite winning in three other categories?

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    The question is Why didn’t Pan’s Labyrinth win best foreign language film despite winning in three other categories?

    That was during a time when there’s a rule that only Academy members who have seen ALL the Foreign Film candidates in special, designated screenings can vote in the category. This rule has resulted in quite a number of upsets in this category. And again, a lot the members who have time to do this are usually old and white so they have a largely specific taste.

    Apart from Pan’s Labyrinth, there’s Amelie which despite being nominated in multiple categories including Best Screenplay still lost to No Man’s Land in Foreign Language. Pretty sure both of these would’ve made it to Best Picture if they had the expanded slate in their respective years.

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    The question is Why didn’t Pan’s Labyrinth win best foreign language film despite winning in three other categories?

    B/c “The Lives of Others” was better and rightfully won instead.

    And a big NO to the thread question.

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    I think they should have a separate jury (same for animated and documentary) that can’t vote for BP. That way they don’t have to be strategic and the other films have a shot at BP.

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Of course not.

    And if so, documentaries and animated films should also get the same treatment.

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    I also agree that if they get rid of International, then they should also get rid of the Animated category too…and probably Documentary as well.

    However, I would be more worried about these films getting absolutely no recognition at all if that were the case.

    I do think more consideration needs to be taken to the quality of Foreign (and Animated) films as many not only deserve to get nominated but often should be WINNING the damn thing…granted that’s just my opinion.

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    I will take the contrarian route here and say, yes, if we absolutely *must* have the dreaded International Feature category, then any film which makes the BP lineup is then removed from the IF lineup and replaced with the film in sixth place. It makes the category boring when a film gets into both, and only serves to add to the film’s nomination/win total(s). Let something else be recognized with a nomination.

    I understand that the hangup is then: well, how can a film be good enough to get into BP, but then not be named the best foreign language film of the year? To which I say: who cares? These are the Academy Awards… fun and meaningless and controlled by people who by and large have no sense of taste and hold far too much power. Trying to inject “logic” into this ceremony is fruitless and sucks the fun out of watching your favorite celebrities hand awards to each other for their bad art.

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    An elegant solution is to do it LAFCA-style: Announce the BP winner first, and if an international film takes BP, then for “Best International Film,” select the runner-up in that category.

    That’s how Parasite took BP and P&G took International Film in this year’s LAFCA.

    That way, voters can put their favorite film as #1 in both fields without having to worry that they’ll be awarded to the same movie.

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    that’s far from their biggest obstacle, the lack of accessibility and industry narrative is what hurts foreign films the most, parasite can break through that because it’s essentially a blockbuster at this point

    Parasite is not even close to being a blockbuster. It’s not even big enough to have played in 1000 US theatres.

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    I am also very much against this idea. It is fun when the Oscars are competitive but it is not required and is not really the point. Sometimes best picture is a blowout (ex: “Schindler’s List”) or best actor (Daniel Day Lewis in “There Will Be Blood”) or whatever category. The Oscar voters are not required to make it a nail biter for the home audience. They are supposed to be voting on their favorite and hopefully based on artistic merit. The International Film Category will usually be competitive but sometimes it will not be based on a nominee also being in best picture or perhaps based on critical success or, rare for the category, financial success.

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    Lil Tony
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    B/c “The Lives of Others” was better and rightfully won instead. And a big NO to the thread question.

    a film that couldn’t win in other categories can’t be better than Pan’s Labyrinth.

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    They could do something similar to what is done at the French Cesars awards – they now have it that the Best Film and Best Director category cannot be won by the same film, so if the same film wins both then the 2nd place finish wins Best Director. If the BP winner is an international film nominee, they could automatically give the International Film award to the 2nd place finish – of course this would mean they would have to give out International Film last! (:

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