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    I wasn’t on the site then. Did the forums come to a reason why they thought she was such an unexpected winner?

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    She was fantastic but people thought 3rd so soon after 3BB was a stretch. Turns out it wasn’t.

    Justice for Passing, Tessa Thompson & Ruth Negga.

    The Power of the Dog / Jane Campion / Benedict Cumberbatch / Kristen Stewart / Kirsten Dunst / Troy Kotsur

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    For this reason I will never buy an argument that a contender has won recently or they aren’t ready to give them another Oscar. It’s just a foolish argument to boost up their favourites.

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    For this reason I will never buy an argument that a contender has won recently or they aren’t ready to give them another Oscar. It’s just a foolish argument to boost up their favourites.

    I don’t know. I think most of the time it is true. Most people never get a third and a lot of the people who won really close together have reasons.

    for example: Jodie Foster

    Her second Oscar only had Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis as competitors and they were kind of equal in the same film.

    Sally Field won her second when all the other competitive nominees were also recent winners.

    Tom Hanks, Forrest Gump was such a sensation.

    Most of the time though people go years in between wins.

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    The frontrunner was Carey Mulligan but many on this forum doubt about her chances because apperantly her character doesn’t appeal with the Academy, after the globes everything bacame unpredictable, nobody expected that Andra Day win, she was the least favorite, Viola Davis was the second favorite and many people thought she will win but i think the reason Frances won was her movie, it won the Golden Lion and every precursor and the character she played appeal with more Oscar voters.

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    Frances was the heart and soul of the Best Picture winner, and she won over a split field where two major precursors were divided by two black women in less acclaimed films with less passion behind them.

    That said, I think Frances would still have won even if Davis had won the Globe on top of SAG.

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    Strong movie + strong performance + general respect + less controversial choice

    Mulligan couldn’t win a single industry-related award, and I do think that her character has pretty much made some of the (creep) male voters feel quite unpleasant.

    Day’s film was too weak for her to overcome it, especially as there were more acclaimed performances with better movies in the bunch.

    I don’t care if her stans will call me out again, but Davis had no passion whatsoever, and neither does her film. She won a SAG, because she’s popular among general American showbiz voters, but other than that, she did averagely with critics, missed BAFTA in the year of diversity-push, wasn’t the center of discussion of her film and Ma Rainey flopped big time on Oscar nominations day. These were all red flags some of you denied because you wanted her to win.

    Kirby got lucky to be included. Truly the only performer that didn’t stand much chance. I do think her performance was liked, but I found it weird that screen-icon Ellen Burstyn couldn’t coattail here (it would have been such an easy nomination). You just knew Kirby was done. She was the only segment they truly loved, but all the others had just simply more buzz and more love in the category.

    FYC 2022 Emmys:

    Best Actress in a Drama Series: Sandra Oh in "Killing Eve"

    Best Actress in a Comedy Series: Sandra Oh in "The Chair"

    Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series: Kim Joo-ryoung in "Squid Game"

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    Do you think if only one black actress had been nominated they would have won for historical reasons? Did they split that segment of the vote that felt it was time for another black actress to win this category?

    (hope that doesn’t sound insensitive but there was a lot of buzz that it was time for someone else to join Halle.)

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    The main reason was the divided race imo. There wasn’t a clear favorite and each precursor went for a different actress.

    Viola Davis won SAG, but her performance was way too short and wasn’t memorable enough to give her a second win. Besides, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom disappointed after missing Picture and Screenplay and Chadwick Baseman lost Best Actor despite having an unique and huge narrative. The fact is not many people cared about that movie.

    Carey Mulligan’s performance in PYW was dark, mostly subtle and not transformative. The Academy usually don’t care about women playing dark characters unfortunately. Her performance simply wasn’t what they tend to award. We overestimated her chances because of how strong PYW turned out to be.

    Andra Day got a lot of raves and even won the Golden Globe, but her movie was panned and she was the only nomination it got. It didn’t help she was also a newcomer.

    Vanessa Kirby was a filler nominee. The nomination was her reward.

    Turns out Frances had the most likeable performance and she was in the BP winner. Voters didn’t feel it was too soon to give a third Oscar.

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    The Oscar for Best Picture and Best Actress had not coincided since 2004. It was her turn

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    The others may have over-campaigned. There were too many fan bases as well. She was the critical darling too.

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    The main reason was the divided race imo. There wasn’t a clear favorite and each precursor went for a different actress. Viola Davis won SAG, but her performance was way too short and wasn’t memorable enough to give her a second win. Besides, Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom disappointed after missing Picture and Screenplay and Chadwick Baseman lost Best Actor despite having an unique and huge narrative. The fact is not many people cared about that movie. Carey Mulligan’s performance in PYW was dark, mostly subtle and not transformative. The Academy usually don’t care about women playing dark characters unfortunately. Her performance simply wasn’t what they tend to award. We overestimated her chances because of how strong PYW turned out to be. Andra Day got a lot of raves and even won the Golden Globe, but her movie was panned and she was the only nomination it got. It didn’t help she was also a newcomer. Vanessa Kirby was a filler nominee. The nomination was her reward. Turns out Frances had the most likeable performance and she was in the BP winner. Voters didn’t feel it was too soon to give a third Oscar.

    oh come on…

    FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION

    Michelle Yeoh, Everything Everywhere All At Once
    Tang Wei, Decision To Leave
    Rebecca Hall, Resurrection

    James Hong & Jamie Lee Curtis, Everything Everywhere All At Once

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    Being in a Best Picture winner really increases your chances of winning tenfold especially when you are a venerated veteran such as Frances. Oh you bet AMPAS ate up the deglamorization and her brilliant performance against the non-actor nomads of the film. Just incredible work in general that was recognized to be the best of year.

    Michelle (Yeoh, Williams) Oscar campaign manager.

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    I also think Nomadland was the only film a lot of people watched of the five. Day and Davis were in unpopular films. Even though Pretty Young Women won the screenplay award that might have just been a name check to have women win both screenplay awards.

    There was so much going on in the news during the voting period I have a feeling a lot of screeners remained unwatched.

    (Gold Derby had an interview with Michael Douglas who admits he didn’t watch any of them. Probably voted for Frances since he worked with her once.)

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    Because the voters are just as cynical as her and the film she won for.

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