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    Do you think if only one black actress had been nominated they would have won for historical reasons? Did they split that segment of the vote that felt it was time for another black actress to win this category? (hope that doesn’t sound insensitive but there was a lot of buzz that it was time for someone else to join Halle.)

    No because there was no split with the Globes. There were 2 and 1 won.

    History shmistory. No one is going to make history if AMPAS likes something else better. It’s just the way it is. Zendaya wouldn’t be the youngest Emmy winner if they didn’t like her performance the most. Zhao wouldn’t be the first Asian woman director to win director if they didn’t think she was the best. heck, the climate favored a black director yet none made the Top 5 because AMPAS didn’t like their work enough.

    Point being, any historical win happens because they liked the work better than the rest not because of the pressure to make history with just about anything. Cuaron made history as the first Mexican to win Best Director in the year where the historical talk was about McQueen potentially becoming the first black director to win. Yet Cuaron was so superior, he swept everything and history became a bonus not the main reason for his win.

    Long story short, if AMPAS liked Day or Davis the best either would have won but they liked McDormand hence McDormand win. It also shows that “but but recent win” is only something we predictors mull over but votes aren’t driven by that at all.

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    Even though Pretty Young Women won the screenplay award that might have just been a name check to have women win both screenplay awards.

    Chloe Zhao didn’t even win adapted so this argument is moot.

    Michelle Williams Oscar campaign manager.

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    oh come on…

    That was not to disregard Kirby’s performance, since she was actually my favorite last year lol. She was filler because she was the sole nominee of her movie and she didn’t win anything besides the Volvi Cup. I could argue Day was filler too, but at least the Globe win gave her a boost.

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    At the time we were surprised but in retrospect is no shock considering Nomadland had the best campaign and exposure to the voters of the year.

    Besides, the detractors for Frances like winning too much, subtle performance, she was already winning BP etc were all manufactured by pundits and had no evidence at all with academy members. Her dismissal was certainly a product of overthinking people do here.

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    A divided field certainly helped, as did being the most deserving…

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    Ok but the natural next question these explanations don’t answer is – why didn’t Frances win SAG or GG? I’m not sure.

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    What amazes me was that they were so willing to give Frances a historical 3rd Oscar the same night they sent Glenn Close home empty handed for an 8th time. That’s slightly shocking.

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    they sent Glenn Close home empty handed for an 8th time. That’s slightly shocking.

    Not shocking at all. Glenn Close was in a Razzie acclaimed film.

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    The best explanation I can give is she benefited from a divided category. Where multiple rival nominees were passion picks without enough in either direction to supersede her.

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    Ok but the natural next question these explanations don’t answer is – why didn’t Frances win SAG or GG? I’m not sure.

    SAG liked Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom and they also love Viola Davis. The Globes just wanted to award as much PoC as possible.

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    Frances was actually the first Best Actress winner to be on a Best Picture winner since Hillary Swank for Million Dollar Baby, so no, it wasn’t because Nomadland won Best Picture.

    Frances won because none of the other nominees had enough passion among voters to win. It’s that simple. Also, it’s true that Nomadland was probably the only movie everybody watched (along with The Father, because of the word of mouth due to Hopkins performance).

    Anyway, it was a depressing year and people just didn’t want to watch movies. I figured they would default to someone, which I thought it would be Billie Holiday, but it ended up being Frances.

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    What amazes me was that they were so willing to give Frances a historical 3rd Oscar the same night they sent Glenn Close home empty handed for an 8th time. That’s slightly shocking.

    Except for the fact that would’ve given Glenn her win for a terrible propaganda piece for a reprehensible Republican political candidate who is still using that leverage to run for Senate.

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    I have a different theory as to why Frances McDormand won last year. I think there is an interesting age divide in the academy. They have been diversifying their membership with new younger and more diverse members (POC’s). I think the younger voters split between Viola Davis and Carey Mulligan, with Andra Day taking enough votes away from them that older voters went with Frances McDormand. I think if we saw the final vote tallies it would be very close.

    The irony is I would have voted for the fifth place actress: Vanessa Kirby!!! (; I knew she had no chance. I kept changing my prediction between Davis and Mulligan, but thinking that McDormand had a path to win as a dark horse for precisely the reason I have mentioned above!

    (So nobody jumps on me I don’t mean all older and all younger – I mean a MAJORITY of older vs younger voters. Of course there is some overlap in voting too).

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    At the time we were surprised but in retrospect is no shock considering Nomadland had the best campaign and exposure to the voters of the year. Besides, the detractors for Frances like winning too much, subtle performance, she was already winning BP etc were all manufactured by pundits and had no evidence at all with academy members. Her dismissal was certainly a product of overthinking people do here.

    This. Look no further from Boseman the King of Manufactured Narrative. They even rewrote history to turn his mediocre filmography into overdue for the win narartive and make him look like some sort of a legend up there with Denzel and Smith. What joke. Hopkins win was the most delicious egg in the face.

    Ok but the natural next question these explanations don’t answer is – why didn’t Frances win SAG or GG? I’m not sure.

    GG – not the AMPAS voters only influencers.

    SAG – only a fraction overlaps with AMPAS and that fraction isn’t AFTRA which is more prone to vote for trendy

    Most importantly, winning any award, be it Oscar or precursor doesn’t mean they only voted for the winner. The gap could be very small. But if lets say AFTRA majorly went for Viola (SAG advantage) but actors who overlap with AMPAS majorly went for Frances, then Fraces has advantage with that branch.

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    Frances was actually the first Best Actress winner to be on a Best Picture winner since Hillary Swank for Million Dollar Baby, so no, it wasn’t because Nomadland won Best Picture.

    The argument is that, in a divided race, being in the BP winner could help. Before Frances, it turned well for Russell Crowe (BP also rarely matches with Best Actor, albeit more often than Best Actress).

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