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Riley (the normal one, not the one who won the predictions contest)ParticipantJanuary 24, 2017 at 4:25 pm #1201994487
Is it just me or did we have a lot of contenders this year that sounded great on paper and turned out to be nonstarters inexplicably? I mean, I understand how something like The Light Between Oceans had no traction because it came out a bit early and the reviews were not quite there to sustain it, but what happened to the Best Actor contenders that Weinstein actually did schedule for awards-season releases?
THE BIG ONES
Silence: $50 million passion project from Martin Scorsese three decades in the making
Jackie: Auteur-ish biopic by rising director with another contender out
A Monster Calls: Good reviews, acclaimed director, good cast, craft-heavy
American Pastoral: Reviews were not good, but not even a DGA First-Time nomination?
Sully: Taking Tom Hanks for granted to the point where we take everything about his film granted too
SHOULD HAVE BEEN CRAFTS CONTENDERS
Patriots Day: NBR, important subject matter, tech-driven director, A+ CinemaScore
Live by Night: A who’s-who of everyone who has dominated the craft categories in recent years
Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk: Quickest fall of the season, but still, not a single guild nomination to show for a 7.1 on IMDb and groundbreaking technology?
NO TRACTION FOR ACTORS
The Founder: Biopic vehicle with decent-enough reviews from Weinstein for man with I.O.U. for leading last two Best Pictures
Gold: The Big Short vibes plus weight-gain for recent Best Actor; off to early start with Hollywood Film Award for Best Ensemble, which has yielded an Oscar nomination the last six years
Eye in the Sky: Bleecker Street + solid reviews + Helen Mirren + posthumous nominations?January 24, 2017 at 5:01 pm #1201994507
Silence was way too late and just didn’t resonate with the guilds. Sully came out too early. Jackie got lost in the woods with a bunch of contenders when it shouldn’t have and should’ve gotten every nomination under the sun.
Billy Lynn? Lmao.January 24, 2017 at 5:04 pm #1201994510
I saw silence and believed Scorcese deserved a nomination for directing and Garfield for best actor. Other then that, kind of a disappointing movie.January 25, 2017 at 7:09 am #1201994845
I saw silence and believed Scorcese deserved a nomination for directing and Garfield for best actor. Other then that, kind of a disappointing movie.
If you found it disappointing, why would you think Scorsese deserves a nomination for directing?January 25, 2017 at 7:33 am #1201994862
How about Finding Dory?January 25, 2017 at 7:44 am #1201994868
Don’t forget Allied, with two big stars and a past winner at the helm, usually a guaranteed formula for Oscar success.
Come participate in this year's Goldderby Rankings! http://www.goldderby.com/forum/movies/2017-goldderby-rankings/January 25, 2017 at 7:57 am #1201994877
The reason for the flop is pretty obvious, but Birth of a Nation should still be mentioned here.January 25, 2017 at 8:06 am #1201994884
Some of these films deserve to be flops so they can teach whoever planned their releases a big lesson. Not everything can have the luck Lone Survivor had. Or the current luck Hidden Figures had. Although in both of those cases subject matter and actual good reviews helped an otherwise terrible release.
A film about Boston bombings can’t be treated like this. In a very crowded market and busy and otherwise “happy” “joyful”, season for everybody the last thing I want to do is watch Patriot’s Day. Apparently it was good enough but by the time you feel like watching it, it’s gone.
Fences? I read on Deadline that they just took theaters away from that to accomodate new films. Got everything it could considering quality, but apparently it could’ve made more money if it were not so crowded at theaters.
If these movies had been ready long enough to send screeners, why not release them? I don’t know how real the Hollywood Film Awards are, but Gold got an award there like 2 months ago (maybe more), supposedly meaning the film was ready and seen…but where is it? Have you seen it? Have I seen it? Did anybody? Why do people do shit like that? Same thing with The Founder.
Somebody shoul’ve stopped Silence and say “release it next year”. Clearly in need of more editing and a better release plan. Same with Live By Night. Both were rushed to meet award runs for nominations that somebody must’ve known weren’t going to happen. Why must everybody repeat the tiresome line “Scorsese’s passion project” if
it wasn’t even treated as such.
The Founder? My fucking God. That film looks like it was ready MONTHS ago. And here it is flopping with an apparent good performance that went unnoticed.
People want to feel special releasing films at the end of the year, those busy final two weeks, thinking we’re gonna say OH! OOOOOH! FINAL TWO WEEKS?! MUST BE AMAZING!. And the fucking limited release plan that can’t work for everybody. Why did A Monster Calls come out so late? I understand Hidden Figures wanting to be fresh around MLK, but it could’ve backfired. That’s one lucky film right there.
I have to asume some of these flops are actually good films, enjoyable films, but if they don’t get to me, how can I see them? How will they make money?
Rules Don’t Apply though might be a case of just being a lame, uninteresting film. If you want to sell a movie because it’s “Warren Beatty’s passion project”, then don’t disappear from Hollywood and wait so long to make it, nobody cares about Warren Beatty anymore, specially a film directed by him, and if you’re gonna make it boring (according to reviews) with unrecognizable “stars” (who?), you’re long gone name means shit.January 25, 2017 at 8:14 am #1201994889
How is Finding Dory a flop? Because it didn’t get nominated for Animated Feature? It wasn’t good, but if wasn’t for Rogue One, it would be the highest grossing film of the year. I guess Deadpool and Civil War are flops too then.
Allied was a flop because it was bad. But its release and campaign were ok. It doesn’t belong in this thread. Same as Light Between the Oceans. Bad adult indie film? Get out, Next! That’s how that market works.January 25, 2017 at 8:16 am #1201994892
We’re talking about flops in terms of awards, I believe.January 25, 2017 at 8:40 am #1201994921
Films need time to marinate with audiences, especially the sticky ones that aren’t easily accessible and could use time to settle with people. Kudos to “Hell or High Water” for getting out there early and sticking its landing properly. These late release dates are either outright kicking these films’ respective asses (SILENCE!) or preventing them from reaching their fullest potential (20TH CENTURY WOMEN, THE FOUNDER, and I’ll throw in HIDDEN FIGURES for its missed Oscar nods that were perfectly gettable with more time, but yay box office!). Then some films are just “divisive” (JACKIE, BILLY LYNN), marginal (GOLD, RULES DON’T APPLY, PATRIOTS DAY), or outright shitty (LIVE BY NIGHT). There’s a reason or two somewhere for just about all of this floppage.
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