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Tarantino's "Hollywood" chances were always overestimated.

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    Cards on the table: of the Best Picture nominees easily my favourite is JoJo, and I accept that its Best Picture chances are slim to none. It was probably never in with a shout.

    But anyway, imo, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood’s chances, have always been overestimated and they’re still being so.

    I think it’s a too-easy analysis to conclude that because a film is about Hollywood, then it will win big at the Oscars. The film acting community seems ever more political, more given to making political speeches and stands. I think Hollywood (literally) voting for Hollywood inevitably smacks of narcissism, a look which doesn’t sit well with also simultaneously wanting to criticise the narcissistic President that the USA has.

    For a nostalgic revenge-fantasy, Hollywood does its job in being very satisfying. As a fan of martial arts movies, I’m always partial to a blood-soaked revenge movie. And Quentin’s Kill Bills are two of my favourite films. Inglorious B******s is a perfect example of the satisfying visceral thrill of revisionist revenge.

    Yep, I’m a long-time fan of martial arts movies and so was upset to see the way Bruce Lee was portrayed. I thought Bruce Lee was very popular in Hollywood, and good friends with James Coburn, Steve McQueen, Chuck Norris, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar etc. In any interviews with people remembering Bruce that I’ve seen, the interviewees always talk of Bruce’s skill, grace, warmth and charisma.

    Perhaps it’s me being the hypocrite here, as I had no problem with that hippy having his face punched in, or that gun-toting woman being burnt to a crisp, or the general portrayal of women in the film.

    But the Bruce Lee smear is all the more annoying as I noticed that in the film Roman Polanski gets a free pass.

    I’m not Asian nor American, but I still find the Bruce Lee takedown just unessecary and mean-spirited. I should imagine there will be Academy members that feel the same way.

    I’d speculate that there is a whole bunch of inter-connected reasons why Tarantino’s Hollywood hasn’t been receiving the awards that the pundits have been predicting it would.

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    Was just listening to a podcast on Awards Circuit where a couple of the pundits where saying their favourite scene from OUATIH was the fight scene between (so to speak) Brad Pitt and Bruce Lee. So, maybe I’m on my own with my distaste for the Bruce Lee characterisation?

    Maybe you need to be American to appreciate it?

    But I can much better guess at why it would be cathartic for Americans to see the Manson family get it.

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    I was never predicting Once except for that brief period after it won the Golden Globe and Critic’s Choice awards. I knew at the beginning of the season it was unlikely to win because it was one of the early frontrunners along with The Irishman. And those films never do well. I was predicting it in Screenplay for a long time, but now I think Paradite could pull an upset in that category.

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    Lol! Nice thread Title.

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    I never thought that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was winning Best Picture or Original Screenplay, but I did start the season with the mindset that Quentin Tarantino would be able to play the overdue card to get Director. That actually played out at AACTA, but it seems that I was naive to think that Director would go to anything but the auteur technical achievement.

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    There was some surprise Hollywood didn’t take SAG ensemble, in that it couldn’t win on “home” turf, so I doubt such a piece of filmic Americana will win many Baftas (with the exception of Brad winning Best Supporting Actor).

    Although looking at the recent winners and nominees of SAG ensemble, in particular the 2018 noms, Hollywood losing there this season wasn’t that much of a surprise.

    Bafta-wise I’d say Joker feels more universal than Hollywood or The Irishman. I must say Parasite did well to garner four noms as it hasn’t even been relesed here yet! Renée Zellwegger and Judy feels an absolute lock, as the star and the film feel kinda English. In a way, by contrast, that Laura Dern and Marriage Story absolutely don’t.

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    Pitt will be the film’s only win…

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    Pitt will be the film’s only win…

    No, it’s also winning Production Design. None of the other nominees are strong enough.

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    Hollywood is also probably winning screenplay but I could see Parasite winning too although unlikely

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    No, it’s also winning Production Design. None of the other nominees are strong enough.

    1917 and Parasite’s production design were a lot better to me. 1917’s had to be gradually built throughout the long takes which is what really seals it for me.

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    Hollywood won’t even win production design.

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    Hollywood won’t even win production design.

    Tell that to Critics’ Choice who have only been wrong twice. You just don’t want it to win, face it.

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    Seeing a pattern here.

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    Man people are really lost when they start holding up CC wins as the end all be all

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    Man people are really lost when they start holding up CC wins as the end all be all

    How do you know it WON’T win ADG?

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