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84th Oscars (2011)
Best Picture
The Descendants – Jim Burke, Jim Taylor, and Alexander Payne, producers
The Artist – Thomas Langmann, producer
Bridesmaids – Judd Apatow, Barry Mandel and Clayton Townsend, producers
Drive – Marc Platt, Adam Siegel, Gigi Pritzker, Michel Litvak, and John Palermo, producers
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo – Scott Rudin, Ole Søndberg, Søren Stærmose, and Ceán Chaffin, producers
Hugo – Graham King and Martin Scorsese, producers
Midnight in Paris – Letty Aronson and Stephen Tenenbaum, producers
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy – Tim Bevan, Eric Fellner, and Robyn Slovo, producers
The Tree of Life – Dede Gardner, Sarah Green, Grant Hill, and Bill Pohlad, producersBest Director
Alexander Payne – The Descendants
Michel Hazanavicius – The Artist
Nicolas Winding Refn – Drive
Martin Scorsese – Hugo
Terrence Malick – The Tree of LifeBest Actor
George Clooney – The Descendants as Matthew “Matt” King
Jean Dujardin – The Artist as George Valentin
Demián Bichir – A Better Life as Carlos Galindo
Gary Oldman – Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy as George Smiley
Brad Pitt – Moneyball as Billy BeaneBest Actress
Michelle Williams – My Week with Marilyn as Marilyn Monroe
Meryl Streep – The Iron Lady as Margaret Thatcher
Tilda Swinton – We Need to Talk About Kevin as Eva Khatchadourian
Viola Davis – The Help as Aibileen Clark
Rooney Mara – The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo as Lisbeth SalanderBest Supporting Actor
Christopher Plummer – Beginners as Hal Fields
Kenneth Branagh – My Week with Marilyn as Laurence Olivier
Jonah Hill – Moneyball as Peter Brand
Nick Nolte – Warrior as Paddy Conlon
Albert Brooks – Drive as Bernie RoseBest Supporting Actress
Octavia Spencer – The Help as Minny Jackson
Bérénice Bejo – The Artist as Peppy Miller
Jessica Chastain – The Tree of Life as Mrs. O’Brien
Melissa McCarthy – Bridesmaids as Megan Price
Shailene Woodley – The Descendants as Alexandra “Alex” KingBest Original Screenplay
Midnight in Paris – Woody Allen
The Artist – Michel Hazanavicius
Bridesmaids – Kristen Wiig and Annie Mumolo
Margin Call – J. C. Chandor
A Separation – Asghar FarhadiBest Adapted Screenplay
The Descendants – Alexander Payne, Nat Faxon, and Jim Rash based on the novel by Kaui Hart Hemmings
Drive – Hossein Amini based on the novel by James Sallis
Hugo – John Logan based on the book entitled The Invention of Hugo Cabret by Brian Selznick
Moneyball – Screenplay by Steven Zaillian and Aaron Sorkin; Story by Stan Chervin based on the book by Michael Lewis
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy – Bridget O’Connor (posthumous nomination) and Peter Straughan based on the novel by John le CarréBest Animated Feature Film
Rango – Directed by Gore Verbinski
The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn – Directed by Steven Spielberg
Chico and Rita – Directed by Fernando Trueba and Javier Mariscal
Kung Fu Panda 2 – Directed by Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Puss in Boots – Directed by Chris MillerBest Foreign Language Film
A Separation (Iran) in Persian – Directed by Asghar Farhadi
Bullhead (Belgium) in Dutch and French – Directed by Michaël R. Roskam
Footnote (Israel) in Hebrew – Directed by Joseph Cedar
In Darkness (Poland) in Polish – Directed by Agnieszka Holland
Monsieur Lazhar (Canada) in French – Directed by Philippe FalardeauBest Documentary – Feature
Pina – Wim Wenders and Gian-Piero Ringel
If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front – Marshall Curry and Sam Cullman
Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory – Joe Berlinger and Bruce Sinofsky
Senna – Asif Kapadia and James Gay-Rees
Undefeated – T. J. Martin, Daniel Lindsay, and Rich MiddlemasBest Documentary – Short Subject
The Barber of Birmingham: Foot Soldier of the Civil Rights Movement – Robin Fryday and Gail Dolgin (posthumous win)
God Is the Bigger Elvis – Rebecca Cammisa and Julie Anderson
Incident in New Baghdad – James Spione
Saving Face – Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy and Daniel Junge
The Tsunami and the Cherry Blossom – Lucy Walker and Kira CarstensenBest Live Action Short Film
The Shore – Terry George and Oorlagh George
Pentecost – Peter McDonald and Eimear O’Kane
Pitch Black Heist – John Maclean and Geraldine O’Flynn
Raju – Max Zahle and Stefan Gieren
Time Freak – Andrew Bowler and Gigi CauseyBest Animated Short Film
The Fantastic Flying Books of Mr. Morris Lessmore – William Joyce and Brandon Oldenburg
Dimanche – Patrick Doyon
La Luna – Enrico Casarosa
A Morning Stroll – Grant Orchard and Sue Goffe
Wild Life – Amanda Forbis and Wendy TilbyBest Original Score
The Artist – Ludovic Bource
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – Alexandre Desplat
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo – Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross
Hugo – Howard Shore
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy – Alberto IglesiasBest Original Song
“Man or Muppet” from The Muppets – Music and Lyrics by Bret McKenzie
“Lay Your Head Down” from Albert Nobbs – Music by Bryan Byrne; Lyrics by Glenn Close
“The Living Proof” from The Help – Music by Thomas Newman, Mary J. Blige and Harvey Mason Jr.; Lyrics by Mary J. Blige, Jarvey Mason Jr., and Damon Thomas
“So Long” from Winnie the Pooh – Music and Lyrics by Zooey Deschanel
“Star-Spangled Man” from Captain America: The First Avenger – Music by Alan Menken; Lyrics by David ZippelBest Sound Editing
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo – Ren Klyce
Drive – Lon Bender and Victor Ray Ennis
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – James Mather
Hugo – Philip Stockton and Eugene Gearty
War Horse – Richard Hymns and Gary RydstromBest Sound Mixing
Hugo – Tom Fleischman and John Midgley
Drive – Robert Fernandez, Dave Paterson and Robert Eber
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo – David Parker, Michael Semanick, Ren Klyce and Bo Persson
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – Stuart Hilliker, Mike Dowson, Adam Scrivener, and Stuart Wilson
Moneyball – Deb Adair, Ron Bochar, David Giammarco, and Ed NovickBest Art Direction
Hugo – Art Direction: Dante Ferretti; Set Decoration: Francesca Lo Schiavo
The Artist – Art Direction: Laurence Bennett; Set Decoration: Robert Gould
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – Art Direction: Stuart Craig; Set Decoration: Stephenie McMillan
Midnight in Paris – Art Direction: Anne Seibel; Set Decoration: Hélène Dubreuil
War Horse – Art Direction: Rick Carter; Set Decoration: Lee SandalesBest Cinematography
The Tree of Life – Emmanuel Lubezki
The Artist – Guillaume Schiffman
Drive – Newton Thomas Sigel
The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo – Jeff Cronenweth
Hugo – Robert RichardsonBest Makeup
The Iron Lady – Mark Coulier and J. Roy Helland
Albert Nobbs – Martial Corneville, Lynn Johnson, and Matthew W. Mungle
The Artist – Julie Hewett and Cydney Cornell
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – Nick Dudman, Amanda Knight, and Lisa Tomblin
Hugo – Morag Ross and Jan ArchibaldBest Costume Design
The Artist – Mark Bridges
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – Jany Temime
Hugo – Sandy Powell
Jane Eyre – Michael O’Connor
Midnight in Paris – Sonia GrandeBest Film Editing
Drive – Matthew Newman
The Artist – Anne-Sophie Bion and Michel Hazanavicius
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo – Angus Wall and Kirk Baxter
Hugo – Thelma Schoonmaker
The Tree of Life – Hank Corwin, Billy Weber, Daniel Rezende, Jay Rabinowitz and Mark YoshikawaBest Visual Effects
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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 – Tim Burke, David Vickery, Greg Butler, and John Richardson
Hugo – Rob Legato, Joss Williams, Ben Grossmann, and Alex Henning
Rise of the Planet of the Apes – Joe Letteri, Dan Lemmon, R. Christopher White, and Daniel Barrett
Transformers: Dark of the Moon – Scott Farrar, Scott Benza, Matthew E. Butler, and John Frazier
The Tree of Life – Dan Glass, Bryan Hirota, Paul Riddle and Mike Shand2011:
Best Picture:
Warrior – WINNER
The Artist
The Descendants
Drive
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part II
Midnight in Paris
Moneyball
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
The Tree of Life
Best Director:
Michel Hazanavicius, The Artist – WINNER
Tomas Alfredson, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
David Fincher, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Terence Malick, The Tree of Life
Nicolas Winding Refn, Drive
Best Actress:
Viola Davis, The Help – WINNER
Rooney Mara, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Meryl Streep, The Iron Lady
Tilda Swinton, We Need to Talk About Kevin
Michelle Williams, My Week with Marilyn
Best Actor:
Gary Oldman, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy – WINNER
George Clooney, The Descendants
Jean Dujardin, The Artist
Joel Edgerton, Warrior
Brad Pitt, Moneyball
Best Supporting Actress:
Octavia Spencer, The Help – WINNER
Berenice Bejo, The Artist
Jessica Chastain, The Help
Melissa McCarthy, Bridesmaids
Shailene Woodley, The Descendants
Best Supporting Actor:
Alan Rickman, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part II – WINNER
Kenneth Branagh, My Week with Marilyn
Tom Hardy, Warrior
Jonah Hill, Moneyball
Nick Nolte, Warrior
Best Original Screenplay:
Warrior – WINNER
Arthur Christmas
The Artist
Bridesmaids
Midnight in Paris
Best Adapted Screenplay:
The Descendants – WINNER
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Hugo
Moneyball
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
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I cheated with Rickman. He wins for every delicious little bit of his performances over all 8 films and for not giving him a win for “Sense and Sensibility” for good measure. He was good enough in this last installment to win anyway. When I first made these lists I didn’t have Chris O’Dowd in. I just re-watched “Bridesmaids” and couldn’t resist his charms so I booted Ben Kingsley from “Hugo”, just over Mortensen. All the other “Bridesmaids” mentions were there before the re-watch.Picture: “Midnight In Paris”, “Bridesmaids”, “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2”, “Hugo”, “Weekend”
Director: Woody Allen -“Midnight In Paris”, Pedro Almodóvar -“The Skin I Live In”, Asghar Farhadi -“A Separation”, Alexander Payne -“The Descendants”, Martin Scorsese -“Hugo”
Leading Actor: Michael Shannon -“Take Shelter”, Demián Bichir -“A Better Life”, George Clooney -“The Descendants”, Ralph Fiennes -“Coriolanus”, Brendan Gleeson -“The Guard”
Leading Actress: Kristen Wiig -“Bridesmaids”, Olivia Colman -“Tyrannosaur”, Viola Davis -“The Help”, Tilda Swinton -“We Need To Talk About Kevin”, Rachel Weisz -“The Deep Blue Sea”
Supporting Actor: Alan Rickman -“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2”, Albert Brooks -“Drive”, Viggo Mortensen -“A Dangerous Method”, Chris O’Dowd -“Bridesmaids”, Patton Oswalt -“Young Adult”
Supporting Actress: Melissa McCarthy -“Bridesmaids”, Jeannie Berlin -“Margaret”, Jessica Chastain -“The Help”, Vanessa Redgrave -“Coriolanus”, Octavia Spencer -“The Help”
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Best Picture
The Artist (winner)
Midnight in Paris
Drive
Beginners
50/50Best Director
Michel Hazanavicius – The Artist (winner)
Nicolas Winding Refn – Drive
Alexander Payne – The Descendants
Woody Allen – Midnight in Paris
Mike Mills – BeginnersBest Actor
Jean Dujardin – The Artist (winner)
Demián Bichir – A Better Life
Ryan Gosling – Drive
Joseph Gordon-Levitt – 50/50
Owen Wilson – Midnight in ParisBest Actress
Michelle Williams – My Week with Marilyn (winner)
Rooney Mara – The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Viola Davis – The Help
Meryl Streep -The Iron Lady
Bérénice Bejo – The ArtistBest Supporting Actor
Christopher Plummer – Beginners (winner)
Sacha Baron Cohen – Hugo
Kenneth Branagh – My Week with Marilyn
Jim Broadbent – The Iron Lady
John Hawkes – Martha Marcy May MarleneBest Supporting Actress
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Shailene Woodley – The Descendants (winner)
Octavia Spencer – The Help
Melissa McCarthy – Bridesmaids
Carey Mulligan – Drive
Jessica Chastain – The Help2011 – I cheated with Rickman. He wins for every delicious little bit of his performances over all 8 films and for not giving him a win for “Sense and Sensibility” for good measure. He was good enough in this last installment to win anyway. When I first made these lists I didn’t have Chris O’Dowd in. I just re-watched “Bridesmaids” and couldn’t resist his charms so I booted Ben Kingsley from “Hugo”, just over Mortensen. All the other “Bridesmaids” mentions were there before the re-watch. Picture: “Midnight In Paris”, “Bridesmaids”, “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2”, “Hugo”, “Weekend” Director: Woody Allen -“Midnight In Paris”, Pedro Almodóvar -“The Skin I Live In”, Asghar Farhadi -“A Separation”, Alexander Payne -“The Descendants”, Martin Scorsese -“Hugo” Leading Actor: Michael Shannon -“Take Shelter”, Demián Bichir -“A Better Life”, George Clooney -“The Descendants”, Ralph Fiennes -“Coriolanus”, Brendan Gleeson -“The Guard” Leading Actress: Kristen Wiig -“Bridesmaids”, Olivia Colman -“Tyrannosaur”, Viola Davis -“The Help”, Meryl Streep -“The Iron Lady”, Tilda Swinton -“We Need To Talk About Kevin” Supporting Actor: Alan Rickman -“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2”, Albert Brooks -“Drive”, Viggo Mortensen -“A Dangerous Method”, Chris O’Dowd -“Bridesmaids”, Patton Oswalt -“Young Adult” Supporting Actress: Melissa McCarthy -“Bridesmaids”, Jeannie Berlin -“Margaret”, Jessica Chastain -“The Help”, Vanessa Redgrave -“Coriolanus”, Octavia Spencer -“The Help”
Alan Rickman is a very inspired choice. There was so much greatness this year.
ReplyCopy URLOnce again, I have a Picture/Director split, because this was a great year. Admittedly, I cheated a little bit giving it to The Trip, because it is originally a TV series, but it is too good. Steve Coogan is absurdly underrated (though admittedly I didn’t like Alan Partridge that much). Rickman was my third place; almost my runner-up. As other people have said already, Supporting Actor was a great category.
2011:
Best Picture:
The Trip – WINNER
A Separation (runner-up)
We Need to Talk About Kevin
The Artist
Super 8
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows — Part 2
Crazy, Stupid, Love.
Moneyball
Hugo
The MuppetsBest Director:
Asghar Farhadi – A Separation – WINNER
Michael Winterbottom – The Trip (runner-up)
Lynne Ramsay – We Need to Talk About Kevin
Michel Hazanavicius – The Artist
Martin Scorsese – HugoBest Actor:
Steve Coogan – The Trip – WINNER
Peyman Moaadi – A Separation (runner-up)
Brad Pitt – Moneyball
Leonardo DiCaprio – J. Edgar
Rob Brydon – The TripBest Actress:
Meryl Streep – The Iron Lady – WINNER
Leila Hatami – A Separation
Tilda Swinton – We Need to Talk About Kevin (runner-up)
Elle Fanning – Super 8
Viola Davis – The HelpBest Supporting Actor:
Christopher Plummer – Beginners – WINNER
Ezra Miller – We Need to Talk About Kevin
Ralph Fiennes – Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows — Part 2
Alan Rickman – Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows — Part 2
Armie Hammer – J. Edgar (runner-up)Best Supporting Actress:
Shailene Woodley – The Descendants – WINNER
Vanessa Redgrave – Coriolanus
Melissa McCarthy – Bridesmaids
Julie Walters – Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows — Part 2
Octavia Spencer – The Help (runner-up)Best Original Screenplay:
A Separation – WINNER
Midnight in Paris
The Artist
Crazy, Stupid, Love.
The Trip (runner-up)Best Adapted Screenplay:
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The Descendants – WINNER
Limitless
We Need to Talk About Kevin
The Help
Moneyball (runner-up)2011 –
I cheated with Rickman. He wins for every delicious little bit of his performances over all 8 films and for not giving him a win for “Sense and Sensibility” for good measure. He was good enough in this last installment to win anyway. When I first made these lists I didn’t have Chris O’Dowd in. I just re-watched “Bridesmaids” and couldn’t resist his charms so I booted Ben Kingsley from “Hugo”, just over Mortensen. All the other “Bridesmaids” mentions were there before the re-watch.Picture: “Midnight In Paris”, “Bridesmaids”, “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2”, “Hugo”, “Weekend”
Director: Woody Allen -“Midnight In Paris”, Pedro Almodóvar -“The Skin I Live In”, Asghar Farhadi -“A Separation”, Alexander Payne -“The Descendants”, Martin Scorsese -“Hugo”
Leading Actor: Michael Shannon -“Take Shelter”, Demián Bichir -“A Better Life”, George Clooney -“The Descendants”, Ralph Fiennes -“Coriolanus”, Brendan Gleeson -“The Guard”
Leading Actress: Kristen Wiig -“Bridesmaids”, Olivia Colman -“Tyrannosaur”, Viola Davis -“The Help”, Meryl Streep -“The Iron Lady”, Tilda Swinton -“We Need To Talk About Kevin”
Supporting Actor: Alan Rickman -“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2”, Albert Brooks -“Drive”, Viggo Mortensen -“A Dangerous Method”, Chris O’Dowd -“Bridesmaids”, Patton Oswalt -“Young Adult”
Supporting Actress: Melissa McCarthy -“Bridesmaids”, Jeannie Berlin -“Margaret”, Jessica Chastain -“The Help”, Vanessa Redgrave -“Coriolanus”, Octavia Spencer -“The Help”
Yay to the inclusion of Redgrave and Fiennes! I must re-watch Bridesmaids…I didn’t love it the first time except for Melissa McCarthy. A great choice there! She is always amazing.
ReplyCopy URL– From the 20 acting nominations, only 1 made the cut at the Oscars: Christopher Plummer for “Beginners”.
– Again, another very competitive year for lead actress: Tilda Swinton missed for “We Need To Talk About Kevin”.
– Peyman Moadi was the only lead for “A Separation”. Both Sareh Bayat and Leila Hatami were “submitted” as supporting here.
PICTURE
1. The Tree of Life
2. A Separation
3. Mysteries of Lisbon
4. Weekend
5. Certified Copy
6. Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives
7. Margaret
8. Martha Marcy May Marlene
9. House of Pleasures
10. HugoDIRECTOR
Bertrand Bonello, “House of Pleasures”
Asghar Farhadi, “A Separation” (runner-up)
Abbas Kiarostami, “Certified Copy”
Terrence Malick, “The Tree of Life”
Raoul Ruiz, “Mysteries of Lisbon” *WINNER*LEAD ACTOR
Tom Cullen, “Weekend” *WINNER*
Michael Fassbender, “Shame”
Peyman Moadi, “A Separation” (runner-up)
Chris New, “Weekend”
Michael Shannon, “Take Shelter”LEAD ACTRESS
Juliette Binoche, “Certified Copy” *WINNER*
Kirsten Dunst, “Melancholia”
Elizabeth Olsen, “Martha Marcy May Marlene”
Anna Paquin, “Margaret”
Yun Jeong-hie, “Poetry” (runner-up)SUPPORTING ACTOR
Albert Brooks, “Drive” *WINNER*
John Hawkes, “Martha Marcy May Marlene”
Shahab Hosseini, “A Separation” (runner-up)
Brad Pitt, “The Tree of Life”
Christopher Plummer, “Beginners”SUPPORTING ACTRESS
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Sareh Bayat, “A Separation”
Jessica Chastain, “Take Shelter”
Leila Hatami, “A Separation”
Carey Mulligan, “Shame” *WINNER*
J. Smith-Cameron, “Margaret” (runner-up)– From the 20 acting nominations, only 1 made the cut at the Oscars: Christopher Plummer for “Beginners”.
– Again, another very competitive year for lead actress: Tilda Swinton missed for “We Need To Talk About Kevin”.
– Peyman Moadi was the only lead for “A Separation”. Both Sareh Bayat and Leila Hatami were “submitted” as supporting here.
PICTURE
1. The Tree of Life
2. A Separation
3. Mysteries of Lisbon
4. Weekend
5. Certified Copy
6. Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives
7. Margaret
8. Martha Marcy May Marlene
9. House of Pleasures
10. HugoDIRECTOR
Bertrand Bonello, “House of Pleasures”
Asghar Farhadi, “A Separation” (runner-up)
Abbas Kiarostami, “Certified Copy”
Terrence Malick, “The Tree of Life”
Raoul Ruiz, “Mysteries of Lisbon” *WINNER*LEAD ACTOR
Tom Cullen, “Weekend” *WINNER
*Michael Fassbender, “Shame”
Peyman Moadi, “A Separation” (runner-up)
Chris New, “Weekend”
Michael Shannon, “Take Shelter”LEAD ACTRESS
Juliette Binoche, “Certified Copy” *WINNER
*Kirsten Dunst, “Melancholia”
Elizabeth Olsen, “Martha Marcy May Marlene”
Anna Paquin, “Margaret”
Yun Jeong-hie, “Poetry” (runner-up)SUPPORTING ACTOR
Albert Brooks, “Drive” *WINNER
*John Hawkes, “Martha Marcy May Marlene”
Shahab Hosseini, “A Separation” (runner-up)
Brad Pitt, “The Tree of Life”
Christopher Plummer, “Beginners”SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Sareh Bayat, “A Separation”
Jessica Chastain, “Take Shelter”
Leila Hatami, “A Separation”
Carey Mulligan, “Shame” *WINNER
*J. Smith-Cameron, “Margaret” (runner-up)Great choices…I forgot about Kirsten Dunst in Melancholia she truly deserves to be in this list so is Elizabeth Olsen in Martha Marcy May Marlene
ReplyCopy URLYay to the inclusion of Redgrave and Fiennes! I must re-watch Bridesmaids…I didn’t love it the first time except for Melissa McCarthy. A great choice there! She is always amazing.
Fiennes for Harry Potter is a nice addition as well. Julie Walters too! My favorite little but still huge moment in the whole thing is when she calls Bonham Carter a bitch, reminding me of Sigourney Weaver in Aliens! That and when Smith starts wielding her wand at Rickman like a warrior.
ReplyCopy URLFiennes for Harry Potter is a nice addition as well. Julie Walters too! My favorite little but still huge moment in the whole thing is when she calls Bonham Carter a bitch, reminding me of Sigourney Weaver in Aliens! That and when Smith starts wielding her wand at Rickman like a warrior.
Thanks! I love that moment, too! (Well, both of them, but especially Walters.)
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