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    Logan
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    Actually, if you read Glass’s actual story, the things he endured were actually far worse than what happened to DiCaprio in the film. 

    You refer to someone’s story as if details couldn’t be added or “mythified.” There’s literally nothing of proof that confirms he went through everything he said he did but again: the real life doesn’t matter. As condensed and presented in the film, it just wasn’t believable (and remember, this is but one of various issues with the film).

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    Well we will agree to disagree.

    Glass’s story has been well documented, not just by Glass historians, but biographers of General William Ashley, the fur trading giant who originally hired Glass for the expedition that concluded with Glass being mauled by the bear.  Those books include primary source material from witnesses and letters from Glass, himself. 

    But the verisimilitude of the story is irrelevant.  I found the film to be perfect on every level.  I can’t remember a time when a film just engrossed me completely.  I never felt like the film was too long-an idiotic complaint if I’ve ever heard one.  In fact, I’ve seen the film twice, and I plan on seeing it again.

    I don’t know if it will win Picture or Director, but if it does, I will be thrilled.

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    Same here. I loved it so much.

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    Well we will agree to disagree.

    Glass’s story has been well documented, not just by Glass historians, but biographers of General William Ashley, the fur trading giant who originally hired Glass for the expedition that concluded with Glass being mauled by the bear.  Those books include primary source material from witnesses and letters from Glass, himselfI’ll drop it after this post but there are no witnesses that could have seen him slam against rocks in the water (Natives weren’t vouching for him) or falling off the cliff with the horse. I’m not a denier that this person existed or that he could have went through some of these things, but the depiction of these incidents in The Revenant? No way. It’s dramatized in such a way that pulls me out of the realm of plausibility and whatever world Alejandro is attempting to establish. It’s pretty much the product of a Mel Gibson + Steve McQueen lovechild.

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    I dont wish to sound all “girly” or anything, but I just cannot handle this kind of stuff. Cant.

     

    It depends on your own comfort level.  I didn’t find this film any more or less violent than the average Scorsese movie.  The bear mauling is more intense than violent; the mauling scene is actually on youtube, so if you want to preview that scene, you can see it there.The most “violence” occurs in the first ten minutes(the Indian battle) and the last ten minutes.  If you can handle a film like Saving Private Ryan, this is no different. 

    Or in simpler terms…my grandmother is 82 years old.  I had qualms about taking her to see it, but she really loved it.

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    Probably better that you drop it…you’d be amazed what the human body can endure.  Iread a lot about Glass in my college history courses…I trust my research.

    But like I said…it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not.  The bottom line is that the human body can survive far worse than this.  And if you really look at it, the injuries he had were mostly superficial, not life threatening.  The bear mauling left mostly superficial injuries and deep gashes.  The worst thing he faced was hypothermia and infection. 

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    If this movie wins, it will be another Crash type of win. People will talk about it as the worst Best Picture win after Crash.  

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    I agree that The Revenant is divisive.  But it will differ from Crash in one specific way.  Crash’s win had more to do with the Academy being reluctant to award the Best Picture to a “gay cowboy” movie. 

    If The Revenant wins, which I don’t think it will, it won’t be because of some social/political controversy.  It will be more because this movie is right up the Academy’s alley.  A grand, epic film that goes for the gut.

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    Yes. Right now wind is exactly blowing in the Revenant’s direction, and is carrying a lot of momentum with recent Golden Globe win, overperforming box-office and now its overperforming 12 nominations at Oscars.

    But that doesn’t mean it won’t face any obstacles; not only it will have to make voters forget or at least ignore Iñarritu’s 3 wins which are still fresh, it will also have to overcome the lack of screenplay nomination (I mean, in 50 years only 2 movies could get that, perhaps helped by the fact that they were both movie phenomenons, a status The Revenant won’t get), the less than 80 score at MC and the less than 90% at RT. In the last 10 years no movie with such low scores has won BP and that is telling.

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    The animal cruelty is a stupid argument, in any case the attack to the lead character is done by an animal. On the other hand, is a fucking movie not animal is in real danger.

    Unlike Birdman is not all that clear that The Revenant is the best picture of the year but it is a great film, beautiful shot, excellents performances, wonderful cinematography and a story that it isn´t that hard to follow. I don´t find the film long is just alright. 

    The Oscar needs to get rid of the preferential ballot so it can name a deserving movie as Best Picture again.

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    [quote=”babypook”]

    I dont wish to sound all “girly” or anything, but I just cannot handle this kind of stuff. Cant.

     

    It depends on your own comfort level.  I didn’t find this film any more or less violent than the average Scorsese movie.  The bear mauling is more intense than violent; the mauling scene is actually on youtube, so if you want to preview that scene, you can see it there.The most “violence” occurs in the first ten minutes(the Indian battle) and the last ten minutes.  If you can handle a film like Saving Private Ryan, this is no different. 

    Or in simpler terms…my grandmother is 82 years old.  I had qualms about taking her to see it, but she really loved it.
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    Thanks OperaJunky.

    I admire your grandmother. Hope I can make it to that ripe old age.

    I passed on Antichrist as well. As for watching any “Indian” battles child murders horse guts or bear maulings on Utube, I’d rather eat glass and drink it down with bats’ blood, so to speak.

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    Right now, things are very much in favor of ‘The Revenant”. Regardless of what you think about this movie, the narrative behind Leo’s possible win, the box office success, the recent GG win, and the 12 Oscar nominations all elevate this movie’s momentum. In the last 8 weeks, we’ve seen the frontrunners switch places, from Spotlight to Mad Max to The Big Short, and now to The Revenant. Not sure if we will be expecting another shake up, but The Revenant is in the strongest position right now. We know the rest of the contenders are just filler nominees. 

    So unless something crazy happens – like some backlash against Inarritu – The Revenant may be the runaway winner for Best Picture (although in my heart of hearts, I hope that the guilds will vote solidly for MMFR and Miller) 

    For certain. My friends know I’m a film buff and fan, and what have they asked me about this film?

    “I really want Leo to win”

    “Is Leo going to win Teri?”

    “Can Leo really win for this Teri?”

    He certainly has his fans. O btw, those questions came from my lady friends…

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    The trailer pretty much gives a sense of what to expect (it even shows much of the horse riding off the cliff part/familial death aspect). It’s a laborious, masanthropic 150 minutes.

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    Metascores:
    93 Spotlight (T10 lists 2nd place)
    89 Mad Max: Fury Road (1st)
    87 Brooklyn (5th)
    86 Room (T10)

    81 The Big Short (18th) 
    81 Bridge of Spies (25th)
    80 The Martian (13th)
    76 The Revenant (22nd)

    Hmm. 

    I bet that only ‘Mad Max: Fury Road’ (depending on the sequels) and ‘The Revenant’ chart on the best of the decade lists. Those that love it really adore it — MC isn’t telling the whole story here.

    After all, what does ‘Synecdoche, New York’ have? 60-something? And now it’s regarded as one of the finest films of the century.

     

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