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  • phinsjake
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    I’m glad that this topic is gaining more traction with a general audience (although I wish a lot more understood this problem) because truly the Oscars could easily have a committee determine who is lead and who is supporting.

    Golden Globes just this year put Natalie Portman in lead for Vox Lux even though Neon was campaigning her in supporting, and rightfully so! If the Golden Globes have a committee, then surely the Oscars should have one too

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    SHT L
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    Maybe that idea needs to be visited. There’s obviously some sort of board or group overseeing what films are eligible for what awards and such, especially in the music categories. I guess it’s harder to manage the actor’s branch.

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    karls
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    Also christoph Waltz Academy Award winning performance for Dango Unchained was absolutely Leading

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    seanytron
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    Jennifer Lawrence stole Alicia Vikander’s rightful spot in Best Actress for TDG, where she had campaigned all season. The only reason Vikander was pushed into Supporting was because the Academy couldn’t face denying their it girl for a mediocre movie or double nominating a newcomer, especially for a sci-fi film (which she deserved too)

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    kellis
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    Jennifer Lawrence stole Alicia Vikander’s rightful spot in Best Actress for TDG, where she had campaigned all season. The only reason Vikander was pushed into Supporting was because the Academy couldn’t face denying their it girl for a mediocre movie or double nominating a newcomer, especially for a sci-fi film (which she deserved too)

    Um, Vikander was placed in supporting because she and the studio didn’t want to face Brie Larson and campaigned her as such. The Globes are one of the only groups that put her in lead. So, it’s her own fault that she didn’t get rightfully nominated for Ex Machina.

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    seanytron
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    Um, Vikander was placed in supporting because she and the studio didn’t want to face Brie Larson and campaigned her as such. The Globes are one of the only groups that put her in lead. So, it’s her own fault that she didn’t get rightfully nominated for Ex Machina.

    She got in Best Actress for the Globes and BAFTAs…at least they saw sense to reward her real supporting role.

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    RobertPius
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    You just need to look at some of the supporting categories from the past to see what a supporting role used to be. Some people have complained that Sam Elliott isn’t in A Star is Born enough to merit a nomination.

    But look at 1976 Supporting Actress for instance. Beatrice Straight won for the shortest performance ever, one scene basically and she is great in it.

    Jane Alexander only has like two or three scenes in All the President’s Men.

    the others have a bit more scenes but they are all clearly small roles (Jodie Foster, Taxi Driver; Piper Laurie, Carrie; and Lee Grant, Voyage of the Damned.)

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    kellis
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    She got in Best Actress for the Globes and BAFTAs…at least they saw sense to reward her real supporting role.

    While I agree with Ex Machina, I just don’t see the point of blaming Lawrence, who actually won a Best Actress Globe that year and was not going to get snubbed because of it, unlike Vikander, and didn’t campaign for fraud herself.

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    SHT L
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    You just need to look at some of the supporting categories from the past to see what a supporting role used to be. Some people have complained that Sam Elliott isn’t in A Star is Born enough to merit a nomination. But look at 1976 Supporting Actress for instance. Beatrice Straight won for the shortest performance ever, one scene basically and she is great in it. Jane Alexander only has like two or three scenes in All the President’s Men. the others have a bit more scenes but they are all clearly small roles (Jodie Foster, Taxi Driver; Piper Laurie, Carrie; and Lee Grant, Voyage of the Damned.)

    I noticed you mostly listed women and from the 1970s. We know how that decade wrote women’s roles generally. That was the decade of supporting female performances being nominated for lead just to fill up the space.

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    RobertPius
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    I noticed you mostly listed women and from the 1970s. We know how that decade wrote women’s roles generally. That was the decade of supporting female performances being nominated for lead just to fill up the space.

    I was just listing 1976’s nominees.

    I wouldn’t really say there were too many cases of supporting performances being pushed as lead in the seventies. Just 1975 which had Lousie Fletcher and Ann-Margret in arguably supporting performances put in lead.

    What other ones from the seventies are you thinking of?

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    SHT L
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    I was just listing 1976’s nominees. I wouldn’t really say there were too many cases of supporting performances being pushed as lead in the seventies. Just 1975 which had Lousie Fletcher and Ann-Margret in arguably supporting performances put in lead. What other ones from the seventies are you thinking of?

    Just from what I actually watched and using what we think of supporting performances in the Vikander era…

    Cicely Tyson – Sounder; Valerie Perrine – Lenny (borderline); Louise Fletcher – One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest; Ann-Margaret – Tommy; Carol Kane – Hester Street (big role but still sort of supporting); Talia Shire – Rocky; and Geraldine Page – Interiors (though she’s sort of like Colman now in that her character’s presence is truly felt throughout the film even it’s centered around her three daughters).

    I’d like to compare it to the Supporting Actors and see if  bigger male roles were put in Supporting earlier on or around the same time as they were for Actress thus hurting smaller supporting actors in those same films.

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    RobertPius
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    Just from what I actually watched and using what we think of supporting performances in the Vikander era…

    Cicely Tyson – Sounder; Valerie Perrine – Lenny (borderline); Louise Fletcher – One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest; Ann-Margaret – Tommy; Carol Kane – Hester Street (big role but still sort of supporting); Talia Shire – Rocky; and Geraldine Page – Interiors (though she’s sort of like Colman now in that her character’s presence is truly felt throughout the film even it’s centered around her three daughters).

    I’d like to compare it to the Supporting Actors and see if bigger male roles were put in Supporting earlier on or around the same time as they were for Actress thus hurting smaller supporting actors in those same films.

    Oh yes. I agree with all your suggestions there. I didn’t realize there were so many supporting women in lead.

    As to lead men going supporting I’d say in the seventies there were about 5 that I’ve heard accused of category fraud (Al Pacino, The Godfather, Jason Miller, The Exorcist, Jeff Bridges, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, George Burns, The Sunshine Boys and Peter Firth, Equus.)

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    Tonbone
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    How was Hawke Category fraud??

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    Anthony Hopkins in The Silence of the Lambs.  While his performance was amazing and his Oscar was well deserved, you can’t deny that his role in that film was purely supporting.  The film is 138 minutes in length and Hopkins is on screen for less than 11% of it.

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    RobertPius
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    Anthony Hopkins in The Silence of the Lambs. While his performance was amazing and his Oscar was well deserved, you can’t deny that his role in that film was purely supporting. The film is 138 minutes in length and Hopkins is on screen for less than 11% of it.

    That was Hopkins choice. It was pretty a pretty bold move since Nick Nolte in Prince of Tides was expected to win. He won a few early awards in supporting but then the ads started touting him as lead and the voters followed the ads.

    He caused himself more stress since he would have been a shoo-in in supporting but in lead he was a surprise winner. He wanted that Best Actor award though and not supporting actor.

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