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    Amadeus – Tom Hulce clearly should’ve gone supporting; Abraham was the sole lead in that film – he carried it on his back

    August: Osage County – Yes, both Streep and Roberts should’ve gone lead, but Roberts definitely would not have made the cut

    Notes on a Scandal – Both Blanchett and Dench should’ve gone lead; I think both roles were strong enough to warrant 2 leading nominations, both would surely have made it in.

    I can clearly see why it’s done though strategically; I mean if two leads from the same film get in, you know only one has a shot at winning realistically. It must suck for two leads (or indeed two supporting) actors to get in from the same film
     

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    I’m posting this again so it doesn’t get lost.  It seems like the lead/supporting distinction is a real problem.  Instead of arguing past cases, could a system be put in place that would appropriately classify performances and fight studio/talent demands?

    I think there needs to be a committee established that determines category placement and sets precedents.  The way studios and powerplayers have been able to finagle lead performances as supporting and vice versa (like Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs of New York) is completely ridiculous.  Some people think they can get everything they want, but there should be some body that tries to function apart from outside influences to leaven the playing field.

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    If Thelma & Louise was released today (and if was released by Harvey), they would’ve shoved Sarandon to supporting because she’s the veteran and that’s the veteran category.

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    It’d be great if the Academy fixed what performances were what (like the Globes do I think?). Also a comittee or people that decide what’s lead and what’s not.  

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    That’s actually not that shocking. When i rewatched Annie Hall the other month, i was suprised at just how borderline supporting she is. She’s really just the love interest of the main character (Woody Allen).

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    Yes, I agree that Diane Keaton was supporting in Annie Hall. You never see any scene from her point of view. It’s always centered in Allen’s character.

    Same goes with Louise Fletcher in Cuckoo’s Nest. I still don’t know what everyone saw in her role that everyone thought it was a leading one. She’s appears on screen less than 40% of the movie and we never see any moment from her point of view, her thoughts, etc, we never see her at the center of the story. Of course, she is a key character, but so was The Joker in TDK. And Heath Ledger went correctly as a supporting role.

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    Tim Robbins was lead but I don’t feel his performance or indeed his role was powerful enough to score a nomination.

    And Cate Blanchett in Notes on a Scandal was correctly put in supporting. The movie was always centered around Judi’s character. The movie starts and ends with her, are her thoughts we keep listening during the whole movie, and it’s a story about how Cate’s character impacts Judi’s one. It’s always from Judi’s point of view, she was the sole lead.

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    Notes on a Scandal – Both Blanchett and Dench should’ve gone lead; I think both roles were strong enough to warrant 2 leading nominations, both would surely have made it in.

     

    Actually no. I doubt Blanchett would have made the cut for Notes on a Scandal. Who would be left off in this case? Mirren, Streep and Dench were locks. Winslet was considered overdue and the film was huge with actors. Cruz? I doubt it. The performance was too acclaimed. And actually that year BAFTA had Blanchett in lead (the longlist) and they didn’t nominate her.

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    I would be in favor of a committee that decides category placement. No way would Julia Roberts be in supporting.

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    Diane Keaton is indeed borderline supporting in Annie Hall, as Jennifer Lawrence was in Silver Linings Playbook… 

    But Christoph Waltz being in supporting was quite accurate. I think it would be more category fraud calling him lead. Jamie Foxx is the only lead in that film. Waltz is clearly his sidekick, and dies 20 minutes before the end of the film, thus giving him supporting status. Foxx is lead, everyone else supporting.  

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    If anything Foxx is Waltz’s sidekick in Django.

    Until the moment he dies he is 100% the dominant character.  They were both obviously Lead.

    The reason we have gotten in this mess is because somewhere along the line large Lead roles started getting placed in Supporting just because they have marginally less screen time than another lead actor. It’s more than possible to have 2 (Or even 3) lead roles in a film.

    If Waltz is supporting them what are Samuel L Jackson or Don Johnson?

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    I’ve never taken “supporting role” too literally. For me it simply means a role that isn’t a lead role – i don’t necessarily look at it in terms of meaning that a character has to “support” another character.

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