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    And Cate Blanchett in Notes on a Scandal was correctly put in supporting. The movie was always centered around Judi’s character. The movie starts and ends with her, are her thoughts we keep listening during the whole movie, and it’s a story about how Cate’s character impacts Judi’s one. It’s always from Judi’s point of view, she was the sole lead.

    No, It’s a story about how Dench’s character impacts’ Blanchett’s character. If I had to choose who’s THE lead (both are) out of the two, Blanchett’s is. Regardless of who has more screen-time or who’s face the film starts or ends with, It’s her character’s story (on screen), her developing predicament, and how those around her are affected by her actions, and how their actions/reactions (e.g.,Dench) affect her situation.

    Blanchett going supporting was major category fraud.

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    ^ I don’t know, I don’t think Blanchett as supporting was that much a stretch. I very easily could be remembering wrong, but I don’t know if Blanchett ever had a scene without Dench. When we see her affair with the student, it’s because Blanchett is telling Dench about it. The arguments with her husband and daughter, I believe are interrupted by Dench’s presence. The one scene I can think of where she’s alone, she’s in Dench’s apartment, looking at Dench’s things. (Although I could be remebering it wrong in which case what i just said isn’t accurate)

    And I disagree I think it’s more about how Dench’s actions affect Blanchett’s, not the other way around. Dench pursues Blanchett, and blakcmails her into doing what she wants. the only reason Blanchett’s actions have any affect on Dench’s life is because Dench chose to bring Blanchett into her life. The reason we even learn about Blanchett’s actions is because Dench learns about them. Yes they are both integral to the story, and Blanchett’s definitely borderline lead, but still borderline imo

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    It doesn’t matter who has the most screen time or lines they are both 100% lead.

    Why is there this weird resistance to there being more than 1 Lead in a film?

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    I thought Bradley Cooper was co-lead with Bale in AH, certainly more lead than Amy Adams.

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    i’m loving this discussion, but let’s face it, it ain’t gonna change. The “how much screentime,” “how one lead impacts the other” essentially doesn’t matter, because nowadays the studios will campain whatever way that can result them in most nominations. Yes, it was slightly better two decades ago, (shoving Susan Sarandon or Debra Winger to supporting would have been a crime back then.. sort of like Gyllenhal or Affleck going Supportng these days, but does the Academy even care now?). But then there is Timothy Hutton going Supporting, and Tyler Moore Lead in Ordinary People, and you realize vicious politics existed even then. 

    Julianne Moore’s snub for Kids Are Allright really hurt me.  i mean, she had more screentime than Benning, she had her whole solo arc with Ruffalo, and acted her part heartbreakingly. She was a true effin co-lead in that movie, and it’s a shame she didn’t end up in Lead up there with Benning. At the same time, if she had ended up nominated in Supporting, it would have been a slap in the face, kind of like the one Julia is smiling through all through this awards season.

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    I thought Bradley Cooper was co-lead with Bale in AH, certainly more lead than Amy Adams.

    He definitely was. AH has 3 leads.

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    Category fraud was a big reason behind Goldie Hawn and Geena Davis’ respective wins.  No one really makes much of a fuss when men do it (Waltz), but I wonder if another woman will pull it off again anytime soon?  It seems the Academy’s becoming more resistant to female category fraud now, at least with wins(i.e. Haile).  Julia surely won’t win this year and her nomination likely took Oprah’s spot.

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    There are multiple scenes with her family and with the boy that don’t include Dench. Like I said, this case isn’t about screentime (it’s possible Dench has slightly more and because of that & her narration she feels like “the lead”). There’s no story, no notes without Blanchett’s scandal. The story doesn’t exist without Blanchett’s character and her actions/interactions. Her “scandal” is at the forefront, how it affects her everyone around her, and in turn how a manipulative and imposing woman is ultimately sabotaging her. Dench is the overlooking eye, not the subject of scrutiny;  and even then she’s not entirely that as she comes across the truth by happenstance and doesn’t know the full sequence of events until Blanchett reveals it. Plus, you learn about Blanchett’s past but not Dench’s. Any idea that Blanchett’s not lead/co-lead is absurd. 

    I agree, 3 co-leads in Hustle, but Cooper is boderline, and supporting case is valid.

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    To me category frauds are a sign of who people in general think is overall the  bigger “star” or “legend” nowadays.
    Although one has even more screentime than the other, to make sure both have a chance to be nominated, the studio has to “drop” someone into the “lesser” supporting category and then screentime doesn’t matter anymore.

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    Bumping in honor of the ultimate “double category fraud.” Well done guys.

    It appears this issue has no end in sight, and has gotten even worse since I started this thread.

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    I have a hard time deciding whether Carol was a case of fraud because:

    1) Rooney and Cate were both leads.

    2) Cate was supporting for Rooney (not the other way around).

     

    This year, I don’t think Viola should have been considered lead in Ma Rainey’s. Boseman is clearly the lead and the rest of the cast is supporting.

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