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    Stefania
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    I’m seeing more and more people who watched this and reduce the movie to “a dude who acts macho turned out to be gay”. 😔

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    I’m seeing more and more people who watched this and reduce the movie to “a dude who acts macho turned out to be gay”.

    Lol not totally wrong but hey.. it’s a Campion film that’s been given a huge platform and the patriarchy is alive and well so 🤪

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    One thing I’ve found disturbing is how quick people are to pigeonhole Rose. She’s weak and dumb and pathetic, fullstop. They always compliment Dunst but bc they see it as Peter & Phil, the way that Rose is a subversive character, a nuanced take on “the weak woman” is completely missed. I expect whole academic papers will be written about this just like with The Piano.

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    skyes
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    Kodi won his well-deserved award at NYFCC! Yay!

    FYC, in all eligible categories:
    The Lost Daughter
    Passing
    The Power of the Dog

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    Hawk
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    I get that and obviously it’s looking tenuous so I agree with you that he probably won’t make it, but… If you get around to a rewatch, I’d REALLY love to know how you feel because honestly? Without Plemons’ innate naturalism and immediate groundedness in the time period and landscape and…everything, I just don’t think Cumberbatch or the first act would’ve been believable. The other 3 are very obviously great, but Plemons truly feels to me like…the hidden columns partially holding up this building.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think Jesse Plemons was very good too. I just don’t think he had enough material to get in with how crowded things are looking. Maybe if the Academy really loves TPOTD he could coattail. He has that one scene with Rose near the beginning where he gets to flex his acting chops, but he kind of disappears after the first third of the film.

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    Don’t get me wrong, I think Jesse Plemons was very good too. I just don’t think he had enough material to get in with how crowded things are looking. Maybe if the Academy really loves TPOTD he could coattail. He has that one scene with Rose near the beginning where he gets to flex his acting chops, but he kind of disappears after the first third of the film.

    I’m not really talking about “Oscar scenes” though, I’m talking about his presence, his naturalism, his ease in the environment which undoubtedly helped establish Cumberbatch. Hell it took me a few minutes to buy Cumberbatch in this character, and on rewatching it’s very obvious to me how much of it is because of Jesse. He’s in it a lot more than you think: around the same screen time as Kodi, but both have less than Dunst & Cumberbatch who have about equal screen time too. When he returns, he gets to be the receiving end of Phil’s biggest blow-out. Anyway whatever, I love it, I know other people don’t.

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    I have so much in my head that I want to put down on paper about “The Power of the Dog” but I fail every time I start to write my thoughts. So, for now, I’ll simply say “The Power of the Dog” is by far the best movie I have seen in a few years. And that I’m most certain of. Standing ovations to Campion, Cumberbatch, Dunst, Smit-McPhee and Plemons.

    I’m still standing and clapping…

    My best, so far:

    Film - The Power of the Dog
    Actor - Benedict Cumberbatch
    Actress - Tessa Thompson
    Supporting Actor - Kodi Smit-McPhee
    Supporting Actress - Ruth Negga

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    I’m not really talking about “Oscar scenes” though, I’m talking about his presence, his naturalism, his ease in the environment which undoubtedly helped establish Cumberbatch. Hell it took me a few minutes to buy Cumberbatch in this character, and on rewatching it’s very obvious to me how much of it is because of Jesse. He’s in it a lot more than you think: around the same screen time as Kodi, but both have less than Dunst & Cumberbatch who have about equal screen time too. When he returns, he gets to be the receiving end of Phil’s biggest blow-out. Anyway whatever, I love it, I know other people don’t.

    Ohhhhhh ok I see what you’re getting at. Yeah I thought he fit into the role very well and served as a great foil. The character was really interesting because at the beginning he seems sweet and likable, albeit a bit of a pushover, but by the end of film I honestly kind of hated George. Like I said I think Plemons was great and he’s in my personal top 5 for the year (albeit on the lower end), and I would be happy if he gets recognition- I just don’t see it happening as of now.

    I do disagree with your point about Plemons making Cumberbatch more believable, simply because I don’t think Cumberbatch needed any help. I thought Cumberbatch was great and from the very beginning I felt he brought a terrifying presence to his character. Some people think he was miscast but I completely disagree. I think he was better than Will Smith in King Richard even tbh.

     

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    TPOTD has done great at NYFCC. Only multiple winner, with 3. Won director, actor & supporting actor (Smit-McPhee)

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    So, I just watched the film, and let me digest the whole stuff because it is as cerebral as many have said before.

    Great direction and cinematography, overall! The sound design is so pleasing. The pacing… does not have any problem (to the point where I am perplexed by people who think it is boring). The trio… I couldn’t ask more. The dynamics amongst all of them are magnificent. My mind could change, but I cannot choose between Kodi and Kirsten for the MVP. Perhaps, I should give it to Jane Campion for making this film so dense and engaging without compromising her vision towards the subject matter.

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    I can understand why some may find it boring because it’s very much a slow burn but I always hate it when pacing and how entertaining a film are conflated with one another. You can have an action thriller tentpole that’s fast paced and dull at the same time.

    FYC:

    "The Good Fight" and "The Other Two" in all categories.

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    I do disagree with your point about Plemons making Cumberbatch more believable, simply because I don’t think Cumberbatch needed any help. I thought Cumberbatch was great and from the very beginning I felt he brought a terrifying presence to his character. Some people think he was miscast but I completely disagree. I think he was better than Will Smith in King Richard even tbh.

    Oh yeah I loved Cumberbatch. He’s brilliant & honestly I’ve never thought much of him before this but he was spectacular as they all were. I guess I just found Jesse the most immediately natural in the setting. I didn’t mean that Cumberbatch was miscast or anything, I just meant that Plemons does some heavy lifting in making everyone around him perfectly believable, which is what a great supporting actor is supposed to do, that’s all.

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    Yes, Melvinezq, Peter did.

    Phil shouldn’t have dismissed him as a weakling.

    When Peter shares a cigarette him, it is sensual, but he is also offering him his last cigarette.

    There is something out of Amadeus in this scene, in a “I’ m here to see you croak” way.  Except that…he is also attracted.

    There’s SO much complexity in these characters.

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    Melvenzq can you please delete the spoiler? I know it says spoiler but it’s very obvious in your post. Don’t ruin the experience for those who haven’t seen it.

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    Yes, Melvi ezq, Peter did.

    Well, it’s kind of apparent, so I don’t really have to ask.

    SPOILER ALERT
    To add a little bit, I think Rose was really scared for Peter’s safety when he and Phil were together. I thought, although she knew to certain extent about her son’s personalities, Phil was just too much for her to think about. I think she knew that it would be a sort of battle of minds between Phil and Peter, but she certainly underestimated her son at first.

    I also love that Peter’s allegiance is to her mother. I don’t think he will harm her, but George… you better serve her well. The last scene gave me the impression of “I’d do everything to your happiness.”. Although I’m sure it’s not as simple as that, he’s quite rebellious obviously, it gives a really nice touch to how multifaceted he actually is.

    Can we also talk about how riveting it is when there were only Phil and Rose in a room? The tension…

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