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    Philip
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    The hype for the film doesn’t match the product. I can see this doing extremely well with the individual crafts but I can’t see the general voters going for it.

    Overall, meh.

    #12 for 2021 SAG Film Award Winners.

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    What do you all think of the theory that Phil killed Broncho Henry? It makes sense to me since Peter is mini Phil

    On my second watch, when I noticed how Peter at the end of the movie caresses the rope just like Phil caresses Bronco Henry’s saddle, I did have that thought. There is no evidence to support that theory (If I remember well the book mentions that Bronco Henry died in some kind of stampede accident), but if you think about it there’s a cycle pattern in the movie. For example Phil says that Bronco Henry learned ranching when he was about Peter’s age, so he also had a mentor like Phil and Peter. Peter is different from Phil in the way he embraces and accepts his feminine side, but there’s no evidence to say that he’s not turning into another Phil in the future. He could start tormenting George, for instance, for failing as a husband. I can see that happen. He’d do it in a different way, of course, but it’s there.

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    Oh, it’s not what bothers me. It’s great when different people have different takes on movies (unless it’s Joker, lol), but I get annoyed when people just didn’t pay attention. On FB today I saw some people calling it “ineffective” and “wish-washy”. Did we watch the same movie???

    By the way, when did you first see the barking dog? I only saw it when Peter did and I felt dumb like the other ranchers.

    Hahahaha I saw it straight away because I was looking for it from the book. I was looking for something different though: obviously Campion couldn’t find the exact description from the book but in the book it’s the shape of a running dog with forelegs and hindlegs on the horizon of the mountains. You can see why that might be hard to find LOL.

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    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    On my second watch, when I noticed how Peter at the end of the movie caresses the rope just like Phil caresses Bronco Henry’s saddle, I did have that thought. There is no evidence to support that theory (If I remember well the book mentions that Bronco Henry died in some kind of stampede accident), but if you think about it there’s a cycle pattern in the movie. For example Phil says that Bronco Henry learned ranching when he was about Peter’s age, so he also had a mentor like Phil and Peter. Peter is different from Phil in the way he embraces and accepts his feminine side, but there’s no evidence to say that he’s not turning into another Phil in the future. He could start tormenting George, for instance, for failing as a husband. I can see that happen. He’d do it in a different way, of course, but it’s there.

    For me, he’s turning into a far worse Phil. The Phil of the book is much worse person: a bigot, a total fucking incel. But he’s not Peter.

    Don’t think he killed Bronco because I think Bronco died and killed the romance he had with only him at the time, and the implication is that he wasn’t this terrible a person until after.

    Peter… is a fantasy. Thomas Savage based Peter on him and Phil on his mother’s brother-in-law, who was apparently that evil and terrible. The real man did die, but by all evidence, he was not murdered by Thomas Savage (also Savage was closeted but not effeminate, plus he was a very excellent rider & cowboy). He just hated that man, and I think he wrote the book as some sort of wish-fulfillment to WANT to kill him, but he wrote him as a cautionary tale for himself too I suppose.

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    Oh, and have you heard the theory that Bronco Henry doesn’t exist?

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    So, I have finally watched it, and yeah, that was pretty goddamn flawless. I’m bad at articulating my thoughts, but whew, Jane Campion delivered a, yes, masterpiece with this. She is so in control of everything she’s doing that I was left pretty stunned by how one could execute this story as well as she did.

    The cast is just — sorry to use the word again — flawless. Benedict Cumberbatch, Kirsten Dunst and Kodi Smit-McPhee are absolutely incredible and absolutely deserving of Oscar victories. Whoever said that Dunst and Smit-McPhee do nothing must have watched a different movie. And on that note, if you claim that nothing happens in this movie, I have to believe you failed your assignment while watching it.

    I want to say much more, but I still need to process and rewatch it. But it deserves to sweep the Oscars. I cannot imagine watching a better movie this year. And lord, the score and the cinematography. Gorgeous.

    10/10 from me.

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    Great movie. Not sure i a Oscar Best Picture. It’s not a crowpleaser.

    First I tought Bronco Henry raped Phill when he was young, but then I realised they had some kind of mentoring relationship.

    The cast is great. Kodi is good but kinda subtle for Oscar. I think the few scenes that Plemons is in , he’s great. Could see him getting a nom

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    very strong showing for TPOTD in WAFCA noms with 11, including BOTH Smit-McPhee and Plemons !

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    11 noms at WAFCA. Plemons got nominated too wohooo

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      That said, Phil got played by Pete too much, IMO. He was a very sharp guy so that he couldn’t read Pete well, including that he was an obvi mama’s boy who could choose mom over Phil (which he did), was unrealistic to me. I do appreciate that Rose’s meltdown over the hides unwittingly gave Peter the excuse to give infected ones to Phil. As far as the crime part goes, events lined up nicely. But yes, Phil tirned too naive in the end.

     

    Agree with this

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    Oh, and have you heard the theory that Bronco Henry doesn’t exist?

     

    Elaborate!! Bit how though? George also knew about Bronco.

     

    On another note, that scarf scene is necessary to me, it shows us how Phil is so lonely and craves for real intimacy after seeing his boys got together in the lake

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    I shamelessly admit that i watched the leak version a while back but i watched the Netflix one to make up for it.

    Has that voiceover intro always been there?

    And between the chapter when Kodi found the porn and when Phil started being nice to him, why was Phil suddenly nice? Because Kodi never brought up what he found all that time? Because Phil wanted to annoy Rose at that moment until he realized Kodi is actually cool? Because Kodi is too comfortable w his own self?

    Sorry i kept calling him Kodi. I’m driving and i cant remember the name.

    I just love movies. And awards.

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    So, I have finally watched it, and yeah, that was pretty goddamn flawless. I’m bad at articulating my thoughts, but whew, Jane Campion delivered a, yes, masterpiece with this. She is so in control of everything she’s doing that I was left pretty stunned by how one could execute this story as well as she did.

    The cast is just — sorry to use the word again — flawless. Benedict Cumberbatch, Kirsten Dunst and Kodi Smit-McPhee are absolutely incredible and absolutely deserving of Oscar victories. Whoever said that Dunst and Smit-McPhee do nothing must have watched a different movie. And on that note, if you claim that nothing happens in this movie, I have to believe you failed your assignment while watching it.

    I want to say much more, but I still need to process and rewatch it. But it deserves to sweep the Oscars. I cannot imagine watching a better movie this year. And lord, the score and the cinematography. Gorgeous.

    10/10 from me.

    AAAAAAHHHHHH, so lovely to finally hear your take

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    And between the chapter when Kodi found the porn and when Phil started being nice to him, why was Phil suddenly nice? Because Kodi never brought up what he found all that time? Because Phil wanted to annoy Rose at that moment until he realized Kodi is actually cool? Because Kodi is too comfortable w his own self?

    All of the above, yeah. He’s fairly impressed by the kid’s unflappability, and yeah he sees another opportunity to play Rose, but there’s this gradual opening up because he thinks ……. maybe…… this could be something?

    I say this cleanly but Phil’s designs on Peter are actually pretty vague and all of the above in the book as well, because he doesn’t seem to fully get what he wants either. He hasn’t thought out some huge calculation though in the book he does explicitly wonder: “maybe if I get close to the kid, it’s drive Rose so crazy it’ll finally make my brother kick her out”. But that’s the easy excuse, it’s still all pretty murky.

    FYC:
    Picture: Passing, The Power of the Dog, The Lost Daughter, Drive My Car
    Director: Jane Campion, Rebecca Hall
    Actor: Benedict Cumberbatch, Hidetoshi Nishijima
    Actress: Tessa Thompson, Olivia Colman, Kristen Stewart
    Supporting Actress: Kirsten Dunst, Ruth Negga, Dakota Johnson, Jessie Buckley, Martha Plimpton
    Supporting Actor: Troy Kotsur, Kodi Smit-McPhee, Jesse Plemons

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    Why can’t we have a BP winner that people need to digest, dissect & discuss? A Campion film should win BP.

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