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    I say trans characters should be played by trans actors, but gay and bi characters can be played by any sexuality. If the physical appearance of a role is explicitly tied to the character like with the former, then it should only be that group that plays it. But if the appearance doesn’t matter like the latter, then just let whoever can act it best act it.

    And yes, Nathan Lane wouldn’t been far better than James Corden, but it’s not just because he’s gay, it’s because he’s a tour de force musical and comedic actor who knows exactly how to play these kind of parts.

    However it’s worth noting, I don’t know if they looked at someone for the role before Corden, but even if they asked Lane, I think he very likely wouldn’t turned it down. He’s apparently retired from musicals at this time, and claims that he’s spent the last few years trying to stretch and challenge himself, and since he could play this part in his sleep, he likely wouldn’t have been interested.

    The points stand regardless. Talented gay and trans actors are severely maligned in Hollywood. They should have the gamut of roles offered to them for parity’s sake. As for Lane, there are many others who could have been offered Corden’s role besides him. I haven’t seen any news about Lane retiring from musicals.

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    I think it’s a really grey area in terms of straight people playing queer characters (asides from trans characters who should always be played by trans people). Because on one hand you get performances like James Corden (who is atrocious in this role), but on the other hand you get performances like MacKenzie Davis who’s play a queer women twice, and, as a queer women, I loved both of her performances. I also think it’s a grey area because I know for some actors, these roles help them figure out their identity. I know Caitlin and Isabelle, the original Emma and Alyssa in the Broadway musical, respectively, identified as straight at the time of their performances, but later came out as queer.

    I’m not opposed to straight people playing queer characters if it’s done right. However, I do believe that there is just something about a queer person playing a queer character that feels right. For example, Pellman and DeBose from this movie. You can tell when queer people play queer actors and it makes all the difference.

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    Best Screenplay: Never Rarely Sometimes Always (Eliza Hitman)
    Best Actress: Sidney Flanigan ("Never Rarely Sometimes Always")

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    The points stand regardless. Talented gay and trans actors are severely maligned in Hollywood. They should have the gamut of roles offered to them for parity’s sake. As for Lane, there are many others who could have been offered Corden’s role besides him. I haven’t seen any news about Lane retiring from musicals.

    Lane didn’t make a big deal out of it, but he said a few years ago that he’s pretty much retired from musicals and hasn’t appeared in one since 2010’s critically derided The Addams Family.

    I’m guessing he’ll likely do another one at some point, as a man who made such a splash doing musicals would likely prefer to have a better final outing in the media. Feel like they’re gonna try to get him to do the Fiddler remake, which he would be perfect for.

    And I’m not saying that Lane wasn’t the only choice. I’m saying he was the perfect choice, but likely wouldn’t have taken the role if offered. Theres many people who were a far better fit for it than Corden, but Murphy was clearly more interested in a big name, and he was likely the biggest name who seemed to fit the role.

    Regardless of Corden’s talent or sexuality, I always found the idea of him and Streep being paired up in these roles strange since she’s close to three decades older than him. Original actress Beth Leavel was a good bit older than original actor Brooks Ashmanskas, but she’s aged well, so they looked around the same age.

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    I say trans characters should be played by trans actors, but gay and bi characters can be played by any sexuality. If the physical appearance of a role is explicitly tied to the character like with the former, then it should only be that group that plays it. But if the appearance doesn’t matter like the latter, then just let whoever can act it best act it. And yes, Nathan Lane wouldn’t been far better than James Corden, but it’s not just because he’s gay, it’s because he’s a tour de force musical and comedic actor who knows exactly how to play these kind of parts. However it’s worth noting, I don’t know if they looked at someone for the role before Corden, but even if they asked Lane, I think he very likely wouldn’t turned it down. He’s apparently retired from musicals at this time, and claims that he’s spent the last few years trying to stretch and challenge himself, and since he could play this part in his sleep, he likely wouldn’t have been interested.

    I don’t really think you can make a basis off of the physical appearance of a person who is trans. That’s a wide spectrum. That being said, I agree only trans actors should play trans characters.

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    It’s about representation. Gay and trans actors not being allowed a foot in the door in Hollywood, while straight cis actors get their pick of gay roles and are lauded for their “bravery.” That’s the issue. Nathan Lane could have brought a lifetime of lived experiences and nuances to this role that James Corden couldn’t have dreamed of doing. I want to see gay and trans actors play straight and cis roles for the next couple of decades and win Oscars too! Fair is fair.

    Its this exactly that bothers me. You explained it perfectly! I’m super okay with straight people playing gay roles but it’s so frustrating to almost never see a gay actor in anything. they can’t even get any gay roles like it’s so annoying.

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    I disagree with a lot of what’s been said above but don’t want to fan the flames by quoting anyone. All I’ll say is that, for me, saying that straight actors can’t play gay roles as if they can’t ever understand furthers the othering of queer people in general. Sexuality is a universal thing. Suggesting that only gay people can play gay roles amplifies the homophobic notion that gay love is different to straight love when it is not. I understand the need for representation but frankly, unlike with the trans community, there is at least plentiful queer talent in the industry now (even if there could obviously be more). Do I wish Billy Porter or Tituss Burgess had taken Corden’s character? Absolutely but that was for the casting team to decide and be judged for (look how it has backfired!). Also, there’s a lot of binary thinking going on here about sexuality in general. Fluidity is a thing people! So how can we ever know that James Corden hasn’t had queer experiences? We can’t and that’s a further reason why this cannot be treated the same as the exclusivity of understanding that has to exist with trans or non-white roles.

    On a lighter note, has anyone else watched this movie again? I just did and actually think it plays even better on rewatch because the film’s flaws (ending homophobia lol) are known as so can simply be eyerolled at. My other notes:

    – Meryl is just astounding. Definitively my favourite performance of the year so far. Her line readings here are the best she’s done since Prada.
    – Corden is harmed by the fact that he starts the film off much worse than he ends it. He kind of nails “Barry’s Going to Prom”.
    – Kidman is much better on rewatch when you know how much she’s going to be in it. A true standout.
    – “We Look to You” should have been cut. Lovely song but it kills all of the momentum.
    – Jo Ellen Pellman in this film = Amanda Seyfried in Mamma Mia. And that’s not a compliment.

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    I didn’t like the movie that much but I’ll say this: Tracey Ullman had like two minutes of screentime and did THAT. WOW!!! She needs to do more dramatic work ’cause that woman has range and talent. And that’s my post.

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    ^Lol I thought the exact opposite. I thought she was razzie worthy. The HAM.

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    ^Lol I thought the exact opposite. I thought she was razzie worthy. The HAM.

    LOL And you liked Corden?! Girl…

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    Anyway, imo the biggest chances this movie has at Oscar nominations are in Costume Design and Original Song (hopefully not that song is pure trash).

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    LOL And you liked Corden?! Girl…

    “Girl” learn to read. I thought Corden was good and fine, sometimes awful sometimes great. Not the same as liking him. I was embarrassed for Ullman. Her one scene made Corden look like he was giving a masterclass by comparison (which he patently wasn’t).

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    “Girl” learn to read. I thought Corden was good and fine, sometimes awful sometimes great. Not the same as liking him. I was embarrassed for Ullman. Her one scene made Corden look like he was giving a masterclass by comparison (which he patently wasn’t).

    I read what you posted and you still liked part of his work. I thought she was far superior than him in that scene and outacted him. I guess we have different takes on the perfomances from this movie, since I also thought Pellman was one of the best things about it. I do agree Corden got better as the movie went by but good lord than opening sequence was painful to watch. He was Razzie win worthy in that.

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    On the Pellman thing – out of interest how many times have you watched? Because I loved Pellman first time round (as my first review describes). But found her grating on second watch and completely outshone by DeBose. Maybe our perspectives are actually more similar than it seems based on initial reactions?

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    On the Pellman thing – out of interest how many times have you watched? Because I loved Pellman first time round (as my first review describes). But found her grating on second watch and completely outshone by DeBose. Maybe our perspectives are actually more similar than it seems based on initial reactions?

    I think you got me there 😂 yeah, I’ve only seen it once. But I don’t know if I’ll watch it anytime soon again. That second act dragged too much for me and I thought several musical numbers were literally cringy. But I might give it another try. Maybe my not so positive reaction will change.

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    On the Pellman thing – out of interest how many times have you watched? Because I loved Pellman first time round (as my first review describes). But found her grating on second watch and completely outshone by DeBose. Maybe our perspectives are actually more similar than it seems based on initial reactions?

    I’ve seen it once, but I enjoyed Pellman and DeBose. I think for her first role she did a really good job, and DeBose was good, but way too old for her role (DeBose is 29, but Pellman is around 24/25 I believe but way more passable for a teenager). For me, I find it a bit hard to compare because DeBose looks way older than 17 and sounds way more mature than Pellman. Overall, I found them the best part of the movie personally.

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    Best Screenplay: Never Rarely Sometimes Always (Eliza Hitman)
    Best Actress: Sidney Flanigan ("Never Rarely Sometimes Always")

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