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  • Derrick
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    Is The Wolf of Wall Street Scorsese’s best film?
    As far as I’m concerned Scorsese is the best director of all time. I think Goodfellas is a perfect film, and I think The Departed is damn near perfect. But The Wolf of Wall Street is Scorsese’s best film.

    In terms of acting, I really do believe that Scorsese got the absolute most out of his cast. And I list this first because I see this as the director’s number ONE priority. Jonah Hill gets an oscar nomination, Margot Robbie pretty much gets put on the map, Matthew McConnaughey might have given one of the most underrated performances ij year even though he’s in the film for ONLY 15 mintues! But that’s just the beginning. Because DiCaprio gives the performance of his career, and the best performance in ANY scorsese movie. As an actor he shows range that separates from every other actor. Comedy (lewd scene), drama (his downfall), Dicaprio hits every note an actor can hit! But not only did he squeeze the absolute most out of each his actor’s. This movie is so incredibly shot, and so well directed. It’s a three hour film with a relentless pace. More relentless than Goodfellas. And contains more unforgettable scenes than any Scorsese film. Where am I going with this? All of these factors will lead to this film being a classic. I understand that the majority of people really liked this film, but give this film a few years and it’ll be held at classic status. Do you agree with my points? Why or or why not?

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    GusCruz
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    This thread is a year too late lol

    I love TWoWS. It’s Scorsese’s best film in a looooooong time. But it’s not his best ever… I can’t single out one, but I’d say Ragin Bull, After Hours and Taxi Driver are better than TWoWS.

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    Nessie
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    I liked Wolf but it was too long, too repetitive (all those trading room scenes) and Leo, as one critic put it, just screamed the whole time like he thought he was a rock star in a stadium. When orgy scenes are just filler and not the money shot, you know you’ve overdone it.

    The early scenes are the best. The McConaughey-DiCaprio lunch is the best scene in the film. It had a subtlety and a sly wit the rest of the film lacked. Should have had less Hill and more McConaughey. The relationship between Belfort and Hanna was so much more intriguing.

    My favourite’s still Taxi Driver. 

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    Derrick
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    I liked Wolf but it was too long, too repetitive (all those trading room scenes) and Leo, as one critic put it, just screamed the whole time like he thought he was a rock star in a stadium. When orgy scenes are just filler and not the money shot, you know you’ve overdone it.

    The early scenes are the best. The McConaughey-DiCaprio lunch is the best scene in the film. It had a subtlety and a sly wit the rest of the film lacked. Should have had less Hill and more McConaughey. The relationship between Belfort and Hanna was so much more intriguing.

    My favourite’s still Taxi Driver. 

    I see the repetitiveness as necessary. It really drives the point down that this disgusting man lived this way ALL OF THE TIME. It never stopped he was always a fiend.

    And out of curiosity. Where would you put this among Dicaprio’s performances?

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    CAROL-CHANNING
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    I had a lot of fun seeing The Wolf of Wall Street.  Sure, it was long, but the pace was perfect, and i found it thoroughly entertaining all the way through.  I’m not sure if I got anything long-lasting out of it, but I’d still give it an A.  That Quaalude scene is just so great.  I would have been very happy if DiCaprio had won that Oscar.

    I’m a weirdo and think that Scorsese’s later work is better (except for Hugo… can anyone tell me what the point of that movie was?).  I think Goodfellas and The Departed are his best films.  And, call me crazy, but I also loved Shutter Island.  I don’t particularly like the earlier stuff that others tend to love.  I think Raging Bull has brilliantly filmed moments, but as a whole is a chore to sit through.  And don’t even get me started on Taxi Driver… 

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    Renaton
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    You know, I really, really like this film a lot, but I don’t think I would include it even among Scorsese’s 20 best movies for me. I actually think The Aviator and Hugo were better movies, but got largely derided by hsi fans mostly for not being Scorsese doing urban and gritty once again. And so much of his work in the 70’s and the 80’s is a hell of a lot better than Wolf (yeah, that’s right, his work in the 80’s is very unfairly underrated and taken for granted, but he has made some of his best in that decade). It’s an excellent film, but I don’t really think it compares to his best stuff that much (the whole Quaaludes sseries of events, from the moment they get it right up to DiCaprio trying to get into his car is pretty much the best individual moment in a film of his this century though, even topping that awesome intro of Gangs Of New York).

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    I had a lot of fun seeing The Wolf of Wall Street.  Sure, it was long, but the pace was perfect, and i found it thoroughly entertaining all the way through.  I’m not sure if I got anything long-lasting out of it, but I’d still give it an A.  That Quaalude scene is just so great.  I would have been very happy if DiCaprio had won that Oscar.

    I’m a weirdo and think that Scorsese’s later work is better (except for Hugo… can anyone tell me what the point of that movie was?).  I think Goodfellas and The Departed are his best films.  And, call me crazy, but I also loved Shutter Island.

    You just became my favorite poster. 🙂

    The two most divisive Oscar-films of 2013 were The Wolf of Wall Street and American Hustle. I completely detested American Hustle (I seriously gave it a D, I think. Due to the script being so bad that it made four great actors look bad), but I loooved The Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah, it was a long viewing experience, but I never once got bored and was certainly entertained throughout. DiCaprio would have made a great winner. I used to think he probably came in second, as his film had support, plus he won the Globe Com/Mus Actor (plus the CCA for Comedy Actor). But maybe Chiwetel Ejiofor was in second, since he was in the film that won three major categories, and was probably for sure in second place with Directing and Supporting Actor. Ejiofor had also won at BAFTA (where McConaughey was snubbed). As great as McConaughey was, DiCaprio or Ejiofor winning would have been fine by me, and even Bruce Dern (a solid fourth). A definite no to Christian Bale, who I’m sure was in fifth, and is lucky he got in over Tom Hanks (Cpt. Phillips) and Robert Redford (All is Lost). I call his film American Struggle… It was a struggle to sit through and it was a struggle figuring out how it got 10 Oscar nominations. 

    The Departed is probably my second favorite Scorsese film. At the time, it was my very fav until his next motion picture four years later… Shutter Island !!! Love love love this movie. It was a February release with mostly positive reviews (69% at RT, 63 at Metacritic) and great box office ($128 million domestic, w/ an $80 million budget). It deserved to be in the conversation with The King’s Speech, The Social Network, Black Swan, Inception, Winter’s Bone, and all of the greats of 2010, but it didn’t. I would have given it Oscar noms for Picture, Director (Martin Scorsese), Lead Actor (DiCaprio, but still given Colin Firth the win), Supp. Actress (Michelle Williams, which would have made her a double-nominee. Still given Melissa Leo the win though) Art Direction, Score, and Editing. And for sure I would have given Laeta Kalogridis an Adapted Screenplay nomination for it, still giving the win to The Social Network, but taking out either True Grit or 127 Hours. At the very least, it deserved a nomination in Adapted Screenplay. Not even the loyal-to-Leo Golden Globes gave him a nomination (nor for Inception; maybe he cancelled himself out? … Noms were winner Colin Firth, Jesse Eisenberg/The Social Network, James Franco/127 Hours, Ryan Gosling/Blue Valentine, and Mark Wahlberg/The Fighter. I would have totally given DiCaprio the nom for Shutter Island over Gosling). Oh well. At least it had box office. And makes for a nice first post-Oscar film for Scorsese. 

    Hugo — I strongly disliked. Least favorite Scorsese film. Five wins out of 11 nominations. It was no American Struggle, but maybe… Hugo, You Blow.   

    Sorry for the novel. But disdain for Hugo ‘and’ love for Shutter Island? I had to chime in with celebration.  

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    Taxi Driver is Martin Scorsese’s best film, by far. DUH!

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    Well, I enjoyed Wolf very much.

    These are the Scorsese films which I think are as good or better:

    After Hours

    Mean Streets

    Taxi Driver

    Raging Bull

    The King of Comedy

    The Color of Money

    Goodfellas

    The Departed

    Hugo

    and there’s the memorable Gangs of New York, and his documentaries The Last Waltz, Shine a Light, and Living in the Material World. Then, there’s the beautiful Kundun and the dizzying pastiche of The Aviator, and the raw brutality in Boxcar Bertha, and the wonderful Ellen Burstyn in Alice Doesnt Live Here Anymore.

    Lol.  Looks as if I am a fan of his.

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    Scoring Scorsese

    5. Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore

    4. The Departed

    3. The Wolf of Wall Street

    2. GoodFellas

    1. Taxi Driver

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    ^Pook, no mention of Shutter Island? Haha not a fan? So many weren’t.

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    CAROL-CHANNING
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    You just became my favorite poster. 🙂

    The two most divisive Oscar-films of 2013 were The Wolf of Wall Street and American Hustle. I completely detested American Hustle (I seriously gave it a D, I think. Due to the script being so bad that it made four great actors look bad), but I loooved The Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah, it was a long viewing experience, but I never once got bored and was certainly entertained throughout. DiCaprio would have made a great winner. I used to think he probably came in second, as his film had support, plus he won the Globe Com/Mus Actor (plus the CCA for Comedy Actor). But maybe Chiwetel Ejiofor was in second, since he was in the film that won three major categories, and was probably for sure in second place with Directing and Supporting Actor. Ejiofor had also won at BAFTA (where McConaughey was snubbed). As great as McConaughey was, DiCaprio or Ejiofor winning would have been fine by me, and even Bruce Dern (a solid fourth). A definite no to Christian Bale, who I’m sure was in fifth, and is lucky he got in over Tom Hanks (Cpt. Phillips) and Robert Redford (All is Lost). I call his film American Struggle… It was a struggle to sit through and it was a struggle figuring out how it got 10 Oscar nominations. 

    The Departed is probably my second favorite Scorsese film. At the time, it was my very fav until his next motion picture four years later… Shutter Island !!! Love love love this movie. It was a February release with mostly positive reviews (69% at RT, 63 at Metacritic) and great box office ($128 million domestic, w/ an $80 million budget). It deserved to be in the conversation with The King’s Speech, The Social Network, Black Swan, Inception, Winter’s Bone, and all of the greats of 2010, but it didn’t. I would have given it Oscar noms for Picture, Director (Martin Scorsese), Lead Actor (DiCaprio, but still given Colin Firth the win), Supp. Actress (Michelle Williams, which would have made her a double-nominee. Still given Melissa Leo the win though) Art Direction, Score, and Editing. And for sure I would have given Laeta Kalogridis an Adapted Screenplay nomination for it, still giving the win to The Social Network, but taking out either True Grit or 127 Hours. At the very least, it deserved a nomination in Adapted Screenplay. Not even the loyal-to-Leo Golden Globes gave him a nomination (nor for Inception; maybe he cancelled himself out? … Noms were winner Colin Firth, Jesse Eisenberg/The Social Network, James Franco/127 Hours, Ryan Gosling/Blue Valentine, and Mark Wahlberg/The Fighter. I would have totally given DiCaprio the nom for Shutter Island over Gosling). Oh well. At least it had box office. And makes for a nice first post-Oscar film for Scorsese. 

    Hugo — I strongly disliked. Least favorite Scorsese film. Five wins out of 11 nominations. It was no American Struggle, but maybe… Hugo, You Blow.   

    Sorry for the novel. But disdain for Hugo ‘and’ love for Shutter Island? I had to chime in with celebration.  

    You are my brother from another mother.  I feel a true kinship with anyone who can chime in with their disdain for Hugo and American Hustle (probably my least favorite Best Picture nominee… ever…)  Now if you hate The Descendants as well, then we should just join forces and take on the world together, for we would truly become the most powerful duo there ever was.    

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    I’m actually about 42 minutes into mean streets. I have to say I’m not too impressed thus far. Really does feel like a watered down goodfellas.

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    It’s better than The Departed. I’ll give it that. ‘Wolf’ is admirable. I like it. But it becomes tiresome after a while. Like many of his movies it’s basically a bunch of hyper sequences/set pieces weaved together, but it doesn’t really have the push and character dynamics to run smoothly. Many of its sequences are fantastic however. Yet, in its entirety it reminds me a bit of Casino where Scorcese wanted to take some of the magic from his previous efforts and rachet it up to a ‘nother degree. Out of his post 2000 flicks I’d put ‘Wolf’ just behind Hugo and The Aviator. All three are deeply flawed but pretty good. I just think his vision is a bit clearer with the former two flicks.

    Raging Bull, Goodfells, After Hours- that’s my Scorsese trifecta. They’re my three favorite efforts of his by some distance, each being ambitious in its own right while still feeling complete and edited properly. And yes, I’m one of those people that don’t care much for Taxi Driver.

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    ^Pook, no mention of Shutter Island? Haha not a fan? So many weren’t.

     

    I didnt care for that film at all, but there was nothing wrong with any of the perfs. But yes, I near hated it.

    Btw were you asking about Hugo? The film is a homage to George Meiles, an early pioneer in film, and many of the silent films you see in Hugo are authentic. We differ here, since I think it’s a near masterpiece.

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