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    Seriously, the Woody Allen allegations have OBJECTIVELY more evidence supporting them than those against Gary Oldman, whose allegations you have curiously been more than happy to believe. I choose to believe both of their accusers, but I can’t help finding it odd you would question the credibility of a daughter with literally everything to lose and nothing to gain by coming forward about her trauma, but not question at all one disgruntled ex-wife (who I believe) of Oldman’s about the abuse (not sexual like Woody’s but physical abuse obviously sucks too) she claimed to have suffered.

    My problem with Oldman goes beyond allegations as I am not the police. It’s a matter of character. As I said, in the Dylan case, there was an investigation, which people choose to ignore. I agree with the poster who said she is victim, but most likely not his

    There is an investigation into Harvey right now as well. Bottom line is powerful people get away with gross AND illegal shit all the freaking time. Like they wouldn’t have let Woody off the hook?! Come on, you’re a journalist yourself, don’t be naive as to how these things sadly work so much of the damn time.

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    Ronan Farrow deserves the Pulitzer Prize for his consistently on-point journalism not only in helping to expose Harvey, but for helping his sister tell her truth. She has never wavered from her stories, all Mia was trying to do was protect her daughter from more harm by divorcing Woody. She told the story to her mother when she was a child, I feel just as sorry for her as anyone who doesn’t see the mountain of evidence against Woody by this point. He is O.J. Simpson levels of guilty by now. Like O.J., many people will still point to conspiracies or simply be skeptical even when reality is staring at them right in the face about one of their heroes being a genuine monster.

    The Ronan stuff about Weinstein is commendable. I applaud him. But family feuds simply can’t produce good journalism. The conspiracy theory here would be to deny all the holes in the allegation, and what was investigated. The OJ comparison probably fits better if pointed in a different direction, if we’re being honest

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    There is an investigation into Harvey right now as well.

    Harvey was caught on tape.

    I sometimes wonder if the hatred towards Woody would be the same if he didn’t look like a creep and came off as an asshole from the various roles he’s written for himself. There is no charm there. The Soon Yi situation certainly adds to the sentiment.

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    Ronan Farrow deserves the Pulitzer Prize for his consistently on-point journalism not only in helping to expose Harvey, but for helping his sister tell her truth. She has never wavered from her stories, all Mia was trying to do was protect her daughter from more harm by divorcing Woody. She told the story to her mother when she was a child, I feel just as sorry for her as anyone who doesn’t see the mountain of evidence against Woody by this point. He is O.J. Simpson levels of guilty by now. Like O.J., many people will still point to conspiracies or simply be skeptical even when reality is staring at them right in the face about one of their heroes being a genuine monster.

    The Ronan stuff about Weinstein is commendable. I applaud him. But family feuds simply can’t produce good journalism. The conspiracy theory here would be to deny all the holes in the allegation, and what was investigated. The OJ comparison probably fits better if pointed in a different direction, if we’re being honest

    Here’s where you really start to lose me, since Ronan clearly has so much more to gain by denouncing his sister and defending his rich and famous father. He has shown bravery and unquestionably sacrificed a lot by coming out on the side of the powerless. If Ronan wasn’t related to Dylan, would his coming out in defense of Dylan still seem suspicious? There is another member of the family, Moses Farrow, who no doubt will get a bigger cut of Allen’s money whenever he passes away for standing by his creep dad.

    There actually aren’t any holes in the Dylan story, I don’t know where you’ve been getting that from but I have done a ton of research on this sad and disturbing story.

    I agree with you for the most part on these Hollywood star’s statements condemning Woody ringing hollow and insincere, though Ellen Page’s and Mira Sorvino’s sounded completely genuine and heartfelt, and I do believe they are remorseful.

    If you actually are naive enough to believe Mia Farrow’s parenting skills have anything to do with why Hollywood has put up with Woody Allen for so many years, you are gravely mistaken. Look at Harvey Weinstein, James Franco, Louis C.K., Kevin Spacey, the evidence is all around you and yet you seem unable to see it: People in Hollywood are spineless hypocrites who will work with whatever powerful and influential person helps them get ahead in their careers, even if they are monsters.

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    There is an investigation into Harvey right now as well.

    Harvey was caught on tape.

    I sometimes wonder if the hatred towards Woody would be the same if he didn’t look like a creep and came off as an asshole from the various roles he’s written for himself. There is no charm there. The Soon Yi situation certainly adds to the sentiment.

    What? He just married his stepdaughter. He likes his women fresh… way too fresh… *barf* I hate how clearly brainwashed Soon Yi seems. Its like she’s in a damn cult. Her and her adopted kids need all the therapy in the world to begin to process what has happened in their lives.

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    Soon-Yi is in her 40’s and has been with Allen for over 20 years. You think she’s STILL brainwashed?!?

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    If there was “mountains of evidence” against Woody, why was he NEVER even charged with a crime? Mia is a white, rich, famous woman who could have the cache to push through with it and if he was guilty, he would’ve been convicted, I’m sure.

    *sigh* You make the mistake of overestimating Mia’s power every bit as much as you underestimate Woody’s power, influence, and ability to get away with insanely gross shit. Like O.J., Woody has celebrity privilege, a ton more than Mia ever has had or ever will have, being a multiple Oscar winning legend of cinema. You don’t know the obstacles that women have to deal with it, even actresses like Mia Farrow. Why do you think Harvey never tried anything with Meryl Streep? Because she, like Woody Allen, is a legend who could get him kicked out of Hollywood, because she has that rare level of industry clout for a woman to have that he would be smart and aware enough to know not to mess with Meryl. Mia Farrow on the other hand, has nowhere near the same level of influence and clout as Streep. It was always going to be a borderline-rigged uphill battle for her and Dylan. Guilty people also don’t always get convicted and innocent people sometimes do, famous or not.

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    Soon-Yi is in her 40’s and has been with Allen for over 20 years. You think she’s STILL brainwashed?!?

    F**K yeah! Are you serious or joking?! Of course she is still brainwashed, why wouldn’t she be? On a kind of weirdly positive note, at least he didn’t have sex with her until she was of legal age, and I haven’t heard that it was non-consensual. Silver linings, perhaps? You know what, screw it, I can’t even go THERE. 🙁

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    Here’s where you really start to lose me

    Same. I won’t respond to craziness, generalities or start to repeat myself. I’ve said enough. I will just add, in your response to your post, that however admirable Ronan’s Weinstein story was, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Harvey is an important piece in his crusade against Woody, for being a producer that helped him back in the day. The motivation was there, but I’m glad he channeled it for a greater cause. I also wouldn’t worry about Ronan and money: he’s VERY well off, and so is Mia.

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    What? He just married his stepdaughter. He likes his women fresh… way too fresh… *barf* I hate how clearly brainwashed Soon Yi seems. Its like she’s in a damn cult. Her and her adopted kids need all the therapy in the world to begin to process what has happened in their lives.

    Soon Yi was not his stepdaughter and she was at university when they met. The age difference isn’t exactly extraordinary. She’s a very smart woman by many accounts. The way you refer to her as a fragile being strikes me as sexist

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    Anyway, Timothee Chalamet deserves all the shit he is getting for making such an obviously terrible and insulting decision, but at the same time I’m a little pissed off that none of the other actors seem to be getting thrown under the bus along with him. Because Jude Law and Rebecca Hall are not Oscar contenders this year, does that mean we should let them off the hook? Heck no, to hell with those disingenuous double standards! Everyone needs to be held equally accountable and hopefully (but likely not) they will take this as a teachable moment to not sacrifice morals and decency for potential power in the industry.

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    MODS DELETE THIS THREAD!

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    Teridax
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    What? He just married his stepdaughter. He likes his women fresh… way too fresh… *barf* I hate how clearly brainwashed Soon Yi seems. Its like she’s in a damn cult. Her and her adopted kids need all the therapy in the world to begin to process what has happened in their lives.

    Soon Yi was not his stepdaughter and she was at university when they met. The age difference isn’t exactly extraordinary. She’s a very smart woman by many accounts. The way you refer to her as a fragile being strikes me as sexist

    She was very young when she was first found, spoke no languages at the time, and battled learning disabilites at the time as well. Mia was her adoptive mother, then Mia married Woody, and Soon-Yi became his daughter. I thought to use the term stepdaughter because biologically she wasn’t Woody’s, but call her whatever you want. They weren’t actually related by blood was the point I was making.

    Also, you’re literally defending Woody Allen right now while I have been standing up for his daughter, who once again, has nothing to gain and everything to lose by daring to come forward and speak openly about her sexual abuse, and you are actually having the audacity to call ME sexist? That is so rich it feels like something out of a great SNL sketch. 😀 Maybe try doing a lot more research on this scandal? Or not, whatever you feel like. I just hate it when people still try to defend Woody freaking Allen even after all these years of what a creep he is being an open secret, that’s all.

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    The fact all these people have worked with Woody over the years is because Hollywood deep down knows the kind of person and mother Mia Farrow is.

    And here I thought that it was because Hollywood is the kind of place where hundreds of respectable people sign a letter in support of admitted rapist Roman Polanski.

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    Also, you’re literally defending Woody Allen right now while I have been standing up for his daughter, who once again, has nothing to gain and everything to lose by daring to come forward and speak openly about her sexual abuse,

    I actually said multiple times that I am sorry for her and that I do see her as a victim of this story, wherever the truth lies. The parental alienation case I mentioned is very hurtful to everyone involved

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