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    JackO
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    JackO, are you part of the SAG nomination committee this year? If so, do you intend to vote for the ensemble or any of the performances?

    Nope last year and thank god because I feel bad for the folks on this year and its slim pickings.

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    Yes, this film is pretty good. Very good, in fact. A solid 8/10…

    The problem is that it is 2 hours.

    You might find yourself asking – why is that a problem? Most movies are two hours.

    The problem is that there are 9 lead characters, essentially. And they want you to care about all of these characters. The issue with a 2 hour film is that… unless you make someone a lead, so you view the others through their lens, then it is nearly impossible to afford characters that level of depth in 120 minutes.

    Look at The People Vs. OJ Simpson – similar amount of lead characters. Works as 10 hour miniseries… 2 hour film? How would you even manage that?

    Look at Magnolia – similar amount of lead characters, too. But how long is it? Three hours. And Paul Thomas Anderson is a much better director and writer than Aaron Sorkin.

    The problem with Sorkin is that he is so damn artificial – the ending is a particular example of this. Sorkin writes his characters in a slightly overcaricatured way, so that he can create the idea that we’re interesting in them – because this is how characters in movies speak, right?

    God, the thing is… Aaron Sorking has so much potential. Look at the scenes where they discuss the actual events of what happened at the protests in Chicago. AND look at the initial twenty minute stretch in the courtroom. But, most of all, look at THAT Bobby Seale scene… If you’ve watched the film, you probably know the scene I’m talking about…

    The reason those scenes are so effective is because they let the moment breathe a little bit… And when they do speed up there is a reason for it. You can feel the depth in those moments.

    For a lot of the film, everything seems mildly forced. Not so much incompetent as artificial.

    All the same, there are a high amount of great scenes, with a lot of competently-made and acted, if grating and forced, scenes in between. I also, think the ensemble was really good – even if a lot of them were wasted… With a more depthful script, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II would definitely be getting an Oscar nomination – he’s great here, but he simply doesn’t get enough to do. I think the same thing about Gordon-Levitt – there is clearly an interesting character there, it just seems like Sorkin couldn’t be bothered to focus on it.

    Langella was very good here, though – I doubt he’d get nominated, as he’s probably playing one of the most outwardly despicable characters I’ve ever seen in a film. A character and a performance completely devoid of any redeemable qualities. The way Sorkin writes it is almost cartoonish – but what makes it work is the gravitas and believability Langella gives it, which makes the performance immensely disturbing.

    Likewise, Mark Rylance is superlative here – the one issue, again, is that Sorkin writes him in a bizarre way. Unusually for Sorkin, Rylance’s character’s development is written in extremely subtly, so, I imagine, were it not for Rylance’s masterful shifts… that I wouldn’t have noticed. But, really, Rylance is very good here and brings his unique and slightly offbeat presence to an underwritten character, hence giving it a personality. I imagine he’ll get nominated for an Oscar – even if I’m not entirely convinced it’s warranted (not Rylance’s fault, just the writing – “an actor is a slave to a script and director”).

    Sacha Baron Cohen for me, however, was the real standout.  What starts out as a charismatic and constantly-quipping hippy charicature, gradually develops into a depthful and somewhat moving performance. I think only Baron Cohen could have played in this role – although Downey Jr. 10 years ago would probably have been okay… maybe Oscar Isaac, at a stretch. Anyway, Baron Cohen brings his eccentricity to a role. And, when it becomes clear, that, amongst the Chicago 7, he is probably the most emotionally resilient and intelligent, Baron Cohen really comes into his own – bringing a side to him as a performer, which we have never before been privy to. All in all, if he got nominated for an Oscar, it would be deserved. However, I do worry for his position, as I feel the Academy does not really like to reward the more hyperactive male comedians. Jim Carrey and Adam Sandler were not rewarded for some of the greatest performances in cinema – Baron Cohen isn’t even giving a performance on the level of theirs, so he’s less likely. 🙁

    All the same, I liked the film a lot – even if it does annoy me a lot.

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    I just realised Dave Karofsky from Glee had a cameo. Also I just realised that the person playing the FBI agent manipulating Ruben (Strong’s character) was Roman’s girlfriend from Succession lol.

    Now that is great.

    FYC Oscars: David Fincher (Best Director), Gary Oldman (Best Actor), Viola Davis and Chadwick Boseman (Best Actor and Actress), Mark Rylance (Best Supporting Actor), Soul (Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay)

    FYC Golden Globes (TV): Ted Lasso (Best Comedy Series), Jason Sudekis (Best Actor in a Comedy Series), Hannah Waddingham (Best Supporting Actress), The Boys (Best Drama Series), Anthony Starr (Best Actor in a Drama Series)

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    The Person Formerly Known As Linguini
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    Tabitha from Succession aka Serena from UnReal aka Caitlin Fitzgerald

    rubbish

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    Just watched it. Overall a good movie but nothing outstanding about it. The directing was so bland, Sorkin will only be nominated for screenplay. None of the performances are Oscar worthy but if someone has to it’s Abdul-Mateen II. Da 5 Bloods is a far better movie than this.

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    thank god it wasn’t longer than 2 hours… lord

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    For an “original” screenplay, it’s interesting how it lacks originality.

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    It was not very good.

    People here aren’t discussing here how Sorkin whitewashed history just to put his political views into the movie.

    I hope nobody remembers this film when awards season starts for sure.

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    Truly thought this was stunningly good. Sorkin is a genius. Rylance, Abdul-Mateen and Baron Cohen deserve to hit the circuit hard. Surely SAG ensemble competitive as well. Would have been an easy 5 stars for me if could pass the Bechdel test.

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    Truly thought this was stunningly good. Sorkin is a genius. Rylance, Abdul-Mateen and Baron Cohen deserve to hit the circuit hard. Surely SAG ensemble competitive as well. Would have been an easy 5 stars for me if could pass the Bechdel test.


    People have been way too harsh on the film here. Sure, it’s far from inventing the wheel, but it was still thoroughly excellent.

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    On the biggest Polish film site Jeremy Strong just passed Yayha with his performance score. So maybe indeed there will be people voting for him and I was wrong lmao.

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    It’s a pretty decent movie.
    I don’t think it’s transcendent, but its good.
    Ive seen better things from Sorkin.
    The dialogues are great. Rylance, Strong (which I think was the scene stelar of the movie), Yahya and Cohen were amazing. Eddie was great too.

    FYC TV: Stateless | We Are Who We Are | Cate Blanchett in Stateless | Paapa Essiedu in I May Destroy You

    FYC Movie: Boys In The Band | Toni Collette in I’m Thinking Of Ending Things | Jim Parsons in The Boys In The Band | Shailene Woodley in Endings, Beginnings | Zoey Deutch in Buffaloed | Sebastian Stan in Endings, Beginnings

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    Truly thought this was stunningly good. Sorkin is a genius. Rylance, Abdul-Mateen and Baron Cohen deserve to hit the circuit hard. Surely SAG ensemble competitive as well. Would have been an easy 5 stars for me if could pass the Bechdel test.

    Agree.

    I thought the script was great and I’d say Rylance is win worthy and Abdul-Mateen really hit it hard with his scenes. I also though Baron Cohen was great considering this was Sacha Baron Cohen we’re talking about.

    I wasn’t a fan of the direction so much but other than that at least it was an interesting film. Sorkin’s dialogue was great as always.

    FYC OSCARS : VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", AMANDA SEYFRIED FOR "MANK", CHADWICK BOSEMAN FOR "MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM", PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY).

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    I surprisingly really liked this, it resonated a lot with me because i’m from Venezuela and i know the consequences of protesting.

    Baron Cohen was my favorite, he had so much to do and gave a very diverse performance, it could had just been a hippie guy, but there was a lot of heart in that character. Mark Rylance was my second favorite, very consistent. Abdul-Mateen didn’t impress me to be honest, he does have a good scene and all, but it’s not like he was Lupita Nyong’o in 12 Years a Slave kind of winning scene.

    If felt more crowd pleasing than i expected and that makes me think that general audiences may really like it, kind of like a Hidden Figures, The Help and other SAG Cast winners/nominees. The Globes will eat this up for sure.

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