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    Hairspray was one of the best movies of the 00s. It should’ve been nominated in: Picture, Director, Screenplay, Costumes, Makeup & Hair, Production Design, Song and Sound Mixing.

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    The Mummy (1999) is one of the best movies ever and I would have nominated Rachel Weisz for Best Actress. The film deserved a BP nomination.

    Wait that’s an unpopular opinion? The Mummy is a terrific adventure movie, highly rewatchable, with great characters, awards-worthy turn by Weisz. I lavish the same praise on Mask of Zorro and Pirates of the Caribbean: COTBP (though my personal favorite is DMC).

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    Madonna has had a slew of songs that deserved at least a nomination or a win for Best Original Song, but she competed at a time where winning that award was hard with fields that were actually competitive. At least she’s attributed to two Best Original Song winners and got to perform twice.

    Speaking of Best Song, I still think Bjork’s performance of “I’ve Seen it All” and even that ridiculous swan dress was way too cool for the Oscars. That performance was one of the most real and least pretentious or hammy/showy performances for that ceremony, which usually is like a display of bad taste.

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    Hairspray was one of the best movies of the 00s. It should’ve been nominated in: Picture, Director, Screenplay, Costumes, Makeup & Hair, Production Design, Song and Sound Mixing.

    Ladies Choice or Come So Far?

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    Bullshit, it got lots of backlash/indifference after the win, the main reason being all the movies I wrote above grew more popular over time.

    Every Best Picture winner gets some kind of backlash, but Shape of Water didn’t get it to the level of Green Book or Crash, it’s still respected and most people are fine with the win.

    Let’s Go Bucks

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    Ladies Choice or Come So Far?

    Come So Far.

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    Rachel Weisz has no talent. Really happy Regina pulled through and stopped her bag.

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    Bullshit, it got lots of backlash/indifference after the win, the main reason being all the movies I wrote above grew more popular over time.

    This. The amount of backlash it got for being “safe” BP winner after its win was insane.

    Especially considering it’s a remake of Creature from the Black Lagoon, as a romantic drama from the director Hellboy II: The Golden Army.

    Imagine telling this to someone in 2013, you would’ve laughed out of the ion.

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    This. The amount of backlash it got for being “safe” BP winner after its win was insane. Especially considering it’s a remake of Creature from the Black Lagoon, as a romantic drama from the director Hellboy II: The Golden Army. Imagine telling this to someone in 2013, you would’ve laughed out of the ion.

    To me, the fact that it’s sci fi means it definitely wasn’t the safe choice. A genre win in Best Picture is exceedingly rare.

    And it’s clearly not a remake of Creature From the Black Lagoon. It takes influence from it, but the plot and characters are totally different.

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    – Regina King didn’t deserve to be nominated, let alone win an oscar for that performance.

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    To me, the fact that it’s sci fi means it definitely wasn’t the safe choice. A genre win in Best Picture is exceedingly rare.

    And it’s clearly not a remake of Creature From the Black Lagoon. It takes influence from it, but the plot and characters are totally different.

    Yeah, plus, it also was heavily influenced by the 1969 Paul Zindel play Let Me Hear You Whisper among other works:

    https://time.com/5170613/shape-of-water-plagiarism-controversy/

    In Zindel’s play, a female janitor named Helen connects with an intelligent dolphin imprisoned in a medical lab, where it is experimented on by doctors. She too tries to help it escape via the laundry cart gambit, though unsuccessfully.

    Zindel was an author co-writer Daniel Kraus admired and whose work he put in his Goodreads list.

    The Zindel estate said at the time:

    The estate of Paul Zindel, meanwhile, has criticized The Shape of Water, with the playwright’s son David Zindel telling the Guardian, “We are shocked that a major studio could make a film so obviously derived from my late father’s work without anyone recognizing it and coming to us for the rights.” David Zindel says he has “no ill will towards del Toro” and thinks The Shape of Water is “a good film,” but that doesn’t change his opinion that much of it is stolen from his father’s work.

    The estate also filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court, describing Zindel’s play as “a beloved work of fantasy/science fiction by an esteemed author, making the glaring similarities between the Picture and the Play too egregious to ignore.”

    The lawsuit was dismissed, but has been revived due to the appellate court finding that the lower courts dismissed the claims prematurely:

    https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-urged-to-revive-copyright-spat-over-oscar-winner-shape-of-water/

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/appeals-court-revives-copyright-lawsuit-shape-water-1299700#:~:text=On%20Monday%2C%20the%209th%20U.S.,Prize%2Dwinning%20author%20Paul%20Zindel.

    “Here, the district court erred by dismissing the action because, at this stage, reasonable minds could differ on whether there is substantial similarity between Let Me Hear You Whisper and The Shape of Water,” states a memorandum opinion. “Though both works properly were presented to the district court, additional evidence, including expert testimony, would aid in the objective literary analysis needed to determine the extent and qualitative importance of the similarities that Zindel identified in the works’ expressive elements, particularly the plausibly alleged shared plot sequence.”

    I remember reading at the time that there were some witnesses who knew that Kraus knew of the play and may have been influenced heavily by it. As my first link shows, other filmmakers and writers found similarities from their works with The Shape of Things. Of course, The Shape of Things uses many tropes that seem “common” now, but one can still plagiarize if one can show that the alleged infringing work lifted actual material one or more particular works.

    Back to the topic of unpopular, a friend of mind is convinced that the Ed Sheeran song “The Shape of You” helped the movie’s Oscar campaign. He has no evidence of it and obviously there’s no link between the song and movie, but is super sure of it.

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    I hate Shape of Water because animal cruelty was unnecessary. It added nothing to the story and character except that now we know GdT hates certain animal species.

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    I hate Shape of Water because animal cruelty was unnecessary. It added nothing to the story and character except that now we know GdT hates certain animal species.

    It is a movie though so no real animals were actually hurt, so I dont really understand your reasoning

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    We should all be thankful The Shape of Water stopped the atrocious Three Billboards.

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    I don’t know who needs to hear this, but Silence is one the greatest films of the last decade.

    Among Scorsese’s perfect films of his career.

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