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March 26, 2019 at 2:57 am #1202829707
Now that I have seen Green Book thrice(twice after BP win),I am confused that was Ali really in a supporting role in the movie.I mean Viggo had a bit more screen time but Ali’s screentime and role importance was of a lead.I think Green Book was a two manner lead in reality like 3:10 to Yuma,The Departed,True Detective etc.I think campaigning a lead performance as supporting is not fair.It robbed Rich E Grant from his awards(actual supporting role).I think still the role of supporting hasnt been evaluated as of yet.
Kubrick-Tarkovsky-Scorsese-Bergman-Bresson-KurosawaMarch 26, 2019 at 3:33 am #1202829708This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.March 26, 2019 at 6:38 am #1202829825
The only thing he was supporting was that film’s agenda.March 26, 2019 at 6:59 am #1202829848
I think we all know the answer to this one, including the Academy members who followed studio line and nominated Ali in and then voted for him to win in the Supporting category.March 26, 2019 at 2:46 pm #1202830398
Who cares by now? He won it’s done and dusted i’m afraid. My question is; Is he the weirdest 2 time Oscar winner ever?March 26, 2019 at 5:51 pm #1202830542
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that people will look back in 5 – 10 years and lament last year’s Oscar ceremony as one of the worst years in terms of who they awarded, specifically Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody’s undeserved heap of wins. On paper, this was the most embarrassing distribution of awards: The Dumb and Dumber director nabbed a Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay award for a white savior film that made the old white men of the Academy feel good about themselves, with Mahershala Ali category frauding to receive his second acting Oscar for a portrayal of a black pianist that is widely criticized by his family as being completely inaccurate and inconsiderate of his legacy. Meanwhile, a tragic biopic about Freddie Mercury managed to nab Best Actor for a terribly lip synced performance of little depth and suppressed truths surrounding the protagonist’s personal life, Best Film Editing for jumping between camera angles every two seconds and in the middle of active dialogue, and two Sound Editing awards for a cool concert scene. Add in the unnecessary acting nominations for Adams, Rockwell, Aparicio, Mortensen, and Gaga and you’ve got yourself an absolute discredit to the Academy’s reputation as an admirable awards body.
To better answer the actual question of this forum: No, Mahershala Ali is nowhere near supporting in Green Book. The storyline pertains entirely to his shared journey with Mortensen’s character. He had absolutely no viable reason for entering into the wrong category and did a disservice to the true supporting performances that could’ve been highlighted instead. Although he might have made my top ten, he wouldn’t have garnered a nomination from me in the leading category. This placement reminds me of Casey Affleck’s relegation to supporting for The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford; he was a co-lead with less fame and therefore people didn’t see any issue with Brad Pitt going lead and Affleck going supporting, despite its blatant disregard for integrity in category placement. It’s unacceptable and that’s why I have repeatedly commented on 2020 possible nomination posts because the minute people can begin to formulate an excuse to commit category fraud, the integrity of true supporting performances is thrown out the window.March 26, 2019 at 6:27 pm #1202830577
Honestly, Ali’s fraud is the one I hate the most from the recent ones:
1. He already has an Oscar.
2. I read somewhere, that it was his decision to fraud himself, not studio (that might be only a rumour though)
3. It wouldn’t be even that bad, if he was on shaky ground for a nomination. But I’m inclined to believe he would easily be a lock in lead (even more so than Mortensen).
4. It prevented us from seeing two leads nominated along themselves in Lead Categories for the first time since Thelma & Louise (and in Best Actor case – Amadeus). And Ali and Mortensen would have easily both made it in this year.
And same goes for Stone. Though she didn’t dropped to Supporting herself, that I gan give her, she didn’t showed any signs of disapproving of this fraud unlike legend Rooney Mara did when they shamefully dropped her to supporting for Carol.March 26, 2019 at 7:39 pm #1202830622
No he clearly isn’t supporting in his film. And talking about Mahershala Ali makes me more and more pissed about this year’s Oscar everytime! We all knew that King, Ali, Malek, Close were presumed frontrunners, and most of us agreed that they are not even the best in their respective categories. The other 3 went as expected BUT it has to be Close who was dyingly in need of an Oscar being sacrificed. Before y’all jump at me at “Oscar should be about the performance, not the longevity blah blah”, I have to emphasize that the other 3 are NOT the best in their respective categories either.
And it’s even more absurd to think that while Colman deserved to win here, she won at the cost of The Favorite losing what it TRULY deserved to win. As soon as Bohemian Rhapsody and Black Panther won everything, I knew we would have the most bizzare Oscar ever. And as soon as Green Book won screenplay, deep down I knew they had to give The Favorite something, and best actress is the easiest spot, and that Close’s status was at risk.
This had to be the most unexpected Oscar ever, but unfortunately, not in the 3 acting categories. And to think that these 3 didn’t even need to AND deserve to win baffles me!March 26, 2019 at 8:17 pm #1202830639
No, but what’s done is done now.
On a brighter note, Ali delivered career-best work in HBO’s “True Detective” that should net him a deserved Emmy win this fall.March 26, 2019 at 8:36 pm #1202830663This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.March 26, 2019 at 9:33 pm #1202830700This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.March 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm #1202831451
He’s supporting.March 27, 2019 at 3:42 pm #1202831534
He had absolutely no viable reason for entering into the wrong category and did a disservice to the true supporting performances that could’ve been highlighted instead. Although he might have made my top ten, he wouldn’t have garnered a nomination from me in the leading category.
You have your answer to why he went supporting.
And yes, he’s co-lead. just the weirdest thing the supporting actor winner is lead and the lead actress winner is supporting when the most lead of her film entered in supporting. This acting race was a mess.
Even though I found his performance here better than in Moonlight I really can’t figure out how he managed to be the only actor to SWEEP the race this year when he won just 2 years ago… When Emma Stone was announced in The Favourite everybody denied her in the race saying she didn’t got a single chance and was 5th spot in her undeserving-placed category besides giving her best performance yet and was on par with the rest of the cast (unpopular opinion: she was the best in the film and a scene-stealer).
And everything is narrative (besides Glenn Close that for some reason can’t enter this game unless producers give her a Sophie Choice’s role at 72 to win the goddamn thing and making the only exception where they upset the predicted winners because “it should be about the best and truest performance”… yet, they voted for Rami Malek). But back to Mahershala, he didn’t have any narrative to his performance. Besides very good, wasn’t groundbreaking (it’s not a Philadelphia-Forrest Gump situation), his movie wasn’t a hit until then, he’s not that famous and he just won before. He became a frontrunner back in december for no reason because Goldderby placed him so, then Globes gave the prize as they denied him for Moonlight then everybody sheeped his way to win (maybe because people were talking much more about the more competitive female races)
On a bright side, it wasn’t a win to complain (considering the others) and he used a great look to accept his award. (it’s nice when male attendees go away from just simple smoking). However, how he got this second Oscar so easy will remain a mystery, specially when they couldn’t drive Viggo to it if they loved Green Book so much.Not now
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