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    Sagand
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    Preferential voting wouldn’t even lead to upsets. It would lead to bigger sweeps in the techs and smaller chances of actors upsetting.

    Let’s take some of the examples in the opening post. The theory on Marisa Tomei on why she won is that she was the only American in the field. So once transfers have taken place one of the British vets takes it.

    Again the theory for Adrien Brody is former winners split the vote so once one of them is eliminated in third place (probably Nicholson) the majority of their vote moves to Day-Lewis and the upset is eliminated.

    The techs would be even worse. We see every year how important it is to be a Best Picture nominee to give you the visibility to get to a plurality. If to win a tech you need to get to a majority it makes it harder for the upset not easier.

    i.e. take editing which came down to Dunkirk vs Baby Driver. If 100% of voters watched Dunkirk (as a BP nominee) and only 80% watched Baby Driver. That gives Dunkirk a 20% head start in the race to 50%. (In the plurality system some of the 20% would have voted for SoW and some 3B so it an easier deficit to overcome.)

    If you want more upsets you want to push for people to only to be able to vote on their own crafts.

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    I have a better idea: the Oscars should just move their ceremony up to January. Nominations voting starts 3rd January. Closes 10th. Voting opens 17th January. Closes 24th. Ceremony between the 30th-31st. They should be the first awards group to present, although the Globes and Critics Choice would still make it in before them, but BAFTA and SAG would be later. And voting would be at similar times so we truly wouldn’t know who wins. Now that would be exciting.

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    I still think this was the most long-awaited award ever.  No pun intended 😉

    LD

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    I have a better idea: the Oscars should just move their ceremony up to January. Nominations voting starts 3rd January. Closes 10th. Voting opens 17th January. Closes 24th. Ceremony between the 30th-31st. They should be the first awards group to present, although the Globes and Critics Choice would still make it in before them, but BAFTA and SAG would be later. And voting would be at similar times so we truly wouldn’t know who wins. Now that would be exciting.

    Bad idea for Oscars in January. Releases for multiple contenders across the country happen in January. I wasn’t able to see about 1/3 of the contenders until February. If the Oscars were in January, viewership would tank, and some movies would get unfairly snubbed because of lack of time to gain momentum and/or attention.

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    I have a better idea: the Oscars should just move their ceremony up to January. Nominations voting starts 3rd January. Closes 10th. Voting opens 17th January. Closes 24th. Ceremony between the 30th-31st. They should be the first awards group to present, although the Globes and Critics Choice would still make it in before them, but BAFTA and SAG would be later. And voting would be at similar times so we truly wouldn’t know who wins. Now that would be exciting.

    Bad idea for Oscars in January. Releases for multiple contenders across the country happen in January. I wasn’t able to see about 1/3 of the contenders until February. If the Oscars were in January, viewership would tank, and some movies would get unfairly snubbed because of lack of time to gain momentum and/or attention.

    Viewership already has tanked. And as much as it’s great for the public to be able to see as many contenders as possible, it matters more that the voters do. This will force the voting body to be more involved and proactive in seeing films. I don’t think my idea will work exactly, but the Oscars need to find a way of being one of the first to present. It’s just too predictable now.

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    I think if you had preferential voting in Supporting Actress this year you could have seen Lesly Manville win. The Janney fans would put her first and Metcalf fifth and vice versa. Manville would probably been everyone’s number 2 vote and could have won.

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    A THIRD of the year has passed and it’s the right time to recognise exceptional films from the past year?

    I don’t think so.

    The Oscars definitely need to happen earlier…mid- February at the latest. As it is, there is NO RACE in the categories people want to see (Acting, Director, Picture). My favourite wins will always be in the tech and writing categories, but the main contenders – what’s considered best – has become a bit stale.

    The nominated films everyone was talking about this season were unconventional for the Oscars – and that’s the problem. The Academy Awards have become safe, and as everyone knows – safe is boring.

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    Oscars in mid-February will be a catastrophe. The Oscars need to move back to March. Why? Because right now, every major precursor has lost its personality. They’re turning into a line of precursors copying each other. And this is only happening because voters don’t have enough time to actually watch the films and have their own favorites.

    Take 2003 for example, the last year of late-March Oscars.

    Adrien Brody, Nicole Kidman, Chris Cooper and Catherine Zeta-Jones won the Oscars. Polanski won Directing. Of these five, not a single nominee swept. Daniel Day-Lewis and Jack Nicholson split the best actor victories. Kidman, Zellweger, Moore and Lane each won multiple awards. Cooper had plenty of wins, but once he won the Globe, Christopher Walken took speed, winning SAG and BAFTA. And Zeta-Jones has SAG and BAFTA. Polanski won on the strength of his BAFTA victory, but the Globes picked Scorsese while DGA voted for Marshall.

    And even if not every year is like 2003, the mid-March Oscars had at least two categories, in which precursors did not agree. Just take a look.

    1999 (for movies in 1998) — SAG and Globes disagreed on actor, supporting actor and supporting actress.
    2000 — SAG and Globes disagreed on actress and supporting actor.
    2001 — SAG and Globes disagreed on actor/supporting actor*, supporting actress.
    2002 — SAG and Globes disagreed on actress, supporting actress*, supporting actor.
    2003 — SAG and Globes disagreed on actor, supporting actor and supporting actress.

    Right now, they agree nearly all the time. With one exception per year, and that’s not every year.

    And that’s because SAG voters are submitting their ballots right after the Globes. And yes, they’re copying votes, as they have not seen enough films.

    And in the past, Oscar winners had a fair shot at winning even without winning Globe or SAG. Nearly every year, there was such a case. Not anymore. Right now, an actor wins with BAFTA only once in 6-7 years. This is simply crazy. If the Academy wants a fun and less predictable awards season, move to March and get a preferential ballot in every category.

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    The Two Towers (my personal favorite Lord of the Rings film) wasn’t even nominated for Director.

    The most disgusting directing snub in Oscar’s history. This was his best directorial effort of the three films. he should have flat-out won. The fact that a child rapist won instead is beyond shitty, it’s hypocritical and illogical.

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    No thanks. Consensus already rules the biggest category, focused passion should rule the others, that’s what gets Jordan Peele an Oscar. If the winners across the board are consensus things like Spotlight that so few people are even wild about, the Oscars become more disconnected from relevance than ever.

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    Passion votes is what gets people like Nicholson, Streep, Washington and Day-Lewis nominated. They’ll get multiple Oscars in a small couple of years if preferential voting applies (not opposed to Washington though). Voters do not reflect audiences (not even if the movies have outstanding reviews), critics (even if the movies have great box office) and especially people like us who discuss movies on Internet forums. Just this year even when we weren’t expecting it, Darkest Hour got six nominations, checking male Oscar winner in a best picture nominee, moderate acclaim in period biography about a politician/monarchy, make-up acting transformation and some other Oscar-y qualities in one film.

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