October 6, 2012 at 6:32 pm #70425
Having said that, that’s such an amazing movie that was incredibly underrated and unseen, that I gladly accept this fraud because at least it’s in the books and some people will see it because of that nomination.
I saw it because if the nomination. I would very much like those 3 hours of my life back.
Cut to an 1.45 it would have been sensational, as it was I slept through most of it.October 6, 2012 at 6:49 pm #70426
Most of the worst cases are when the two leads are of the same gender. These two are among the worst scandals in terms of category fraud.
Definitely. It’s a relatively recent phenomenon for so much fraud to take place. There have been numerous times that 2 Leads were nominated from the same film in the past, but I simply doesn’t happen anymore.
Best Actress – Thelma and Louise (1991)
Best Actor – Amadeus (1984)October 6, 2012 at 7:25 pm #70427
Rachel Griffiths being nominated in Supporting, when she was clearly lead in Hilary and Jackie.October 6, 2012 at 7:33 pm #70428
Like the original song category, the Academy really should make more rules with the acting categories regarding the position of the performance. Theres no reason that category frauds should be getting in over other competition.October 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm #70429
Not entirely sure what kind of rules could be set forth that could make a distinction between lead and supporting performances.October 6, 2012 at 8:00 pm #70430
They don’t need to make specific rules, which would be more or less impossible anyway, but they should step if major and obvious category fraud is taking place. Not debatable CZJ or Reece ones but Affleck, Steinfield, Gyllenhall, Blanchett abominations.October 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm #70431
^Yeah thats what I mean. Though it’s not really that hard to determine whats lead and whats supporting.
Also everyone saying Hutton should’ve and would’ve gotten into Lead for Ordinary People are wrong. If Sutherland was snubbed there (IMO he was the greatest one in that cast.) no way in hell would Hutton have made it in either.October 6, 2012 at 8:15 pm #70432
Actors place actors in the categories, and that’s how Winslet got in lead for The Reader even though the studio wanted her in supporting. Also, there will never be a “be-all and end-all” judge or jury for this type of thing. The way the most obvious examples got through was that it could be argued in each instance that a) Affleck was supporting Pitt, b) Steinfeld’s supporting Bridges in True Grit, c) BM is, in the end, more of Ennis’ story than Jack’s, d) NoaS is, in the end, more focused on Dench’s obsession with the Blanchett character and is mostly the former’s story.
Again, I’d say that all of the four previous examples were leads, but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t find many people that would argue with that (as we are seeing this year with The Master and people predicting Hoffman for supporting).October 7, 2012 at 5:19 am #70433
Patty Duke was a co-leader with Anne Bancroft imo
Hang S Ngor was co-leader for me in the Killing Fields
I dont complain with Anthony Hopkins win on Silent of the Lambs… but he is a supporting character somehow…
But what it calls my name is Juliette Binoche and Kristin Scott Thomas in the English Patient. Juliette had more screen time than Kristin and her story was more important that Kristin… so she should have been the lead in that film.
And poor Teri Garr, she was stolen by her co-star. Jessica was a lead but having Frances the same year…
October 7, 2012 at 5:36 am #70434
Jessica Lange was not the lead in Tootsie. Everyone was supporting Dustin Hoffman.October 7, 2012 at 7:21 am #70435
If Lange didnt have “Frances” that year, she would have probably have gone to lead… anyway, she was charming… and a few of the oscars for a role in a comedic film.October 7, 2012 at 4:07 pm #70436
And, I guess people are going to disagree with this, but Joaquin Phoenix is the main character of The Master, not Hoffman. Hoffman receives plenty of screentime, but ultimately he is merely a character in the story of the protagonist, Freddie Quell (Phoenix) So is it really that outrageous that Hoffman is being put in supporting? I don’t think so…
There can be more than one lead per film, and Bridges in True Grit and Hoffman in The Master are examples of this. The whole, “he is merely a character in the story of the protagonist, Freddie Quell..” completely erases some aspects of the film (such as the scenes of Hoffman and Adams when they’re alone together).October 7, 2012 at 4:27 pm #70437
Many films have two or even three leads. Lead is different than protagonist/hero.
What complicates things is that when there are two, more often than not they are different gender.
Let’s try this:
Is Clark Gable supporting in GWTW?
Is Ingrid Bergman supporting in Casablanca?
Is Claudette Colbert supporting in It Happened One Night?
Is Clint Eastwood supporting in Million Dollar Baby?
Is Helen Hunt supporting in As Good As It Gets?October 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm #70438
The Million Dollar Baby situation is kind of interesting because my gut reaction is to say that, in terms of how I’d rank their “overall impact on the story,” (quick way of saying most to least important) I’d go Eastwood>Swank>Freeman, but even Freeman has his own scenes (that whole story between him and Danger -> knocking Shawrelle out) and, along with his narration and many, many scenes with both Swank and Eastwood, I guess you could make a case that the three are all leads in the story (I wouldn’t make a big deal about this, but it’s something I hadn’t really considered before).
You must be logged in to reply to this topic.