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    Campaigning for Armie Hammer AND Michael Stuhlbarg cost Hammer the Supporting nomination for Call Me By Your Name. Had Hammer been nominated, Chalamet might have won. Hammer might have even won in a fairly weak field.

    Dare I say with more momentum, coupled with the screenplay win and some very average BP nominees, it could have gone even further. It’s the best movie on rewatching only a few years later, but maybe it was slightly ahead of its time.

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    Campaigning for Armie Hammer AND Michael Stuhlbarg cost Hammer the Supporting nomination for Call Me By Your Name. Had Hammer been nominated, Chalamet might have won. Hammer might have even won in a fairly weak field. Dare I say with more momentum, coupled with the screenplay win and some very average BP nominees, it could have gone even further. It’s the best movie on rewatching only a few years later, but maybe it was slightly ahead of its time.

    It wouldn’t have mattered if Hammer was nominated, Oldman still would’ve won. He did so at the Globes when Hammer got in, and if there’s anywhere he logically should’ve lost, it’s at the awards show that he’s constantly insulted in the past.

    And even though it didn’t work out, I don’t think Stuhlbarg being campaigned was a bad idea at all. He had a big year, an excellent and acclaimed performance and in my opinion was better than Hammer. Just cause the Academy didn’t respond doesn’t mean that the decision was bad. And it would’ve been a disservice to not campaign him.

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    The Globes aren’t the best indication in this repsect though because they are very conservative and CMBYN was ‘way too gay’. It was never winning any Globes. Anyway this is about campaign decisions. Stuhlbarg was wonderful in the movie but they didn’t need to risk everything by going that hard. Rightly or wrongly, it affected Hammer’s willingness to campaign as he was so pissed with the production company.

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    The Globes aren’t the best indication in this repsect though because they are very conservative and CMBYN was ‘way too gay’. It was never winning any Globes. Anyway this is about campaign decisions. Stuhlbarg was wonderful in the movie but they didn’t need to risk everything by going that hard. Rightly or wrongly, it affected Hammer’s willingness to campaign as he was so pissed with the production company.

    Yes, but considering plenty of people preferred Stuhlbarg, it would’ve been a risk not to campaign him as well, as while it didn’t happen, there was the possibility of him making it in over Hammer. Anyway, if Hammer was pissed, he has no right to be, multiple people get submitted from the same film all the time.

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    If anything the mistake was to campaign Hammer as supporting in the first place, as Stuhlbarg might have had a clearer path to a nomination without having to fend off votes for Hammer. Sure, Hammer would have missed out altogether, but at least CMbYN would have stood a chance at two acting nominations instead of just one.

    And can anyone verify than Hammer was annoyed about being jointly campaigned with Stuhlbarg? If true, that would be very ungracious.

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    Campaigning for Armie Hammer AND Michael Stuhlbarg cost Hammer the Supporting nomination for Call Me By Your Name. Had Hammer been nominated, Chalamet might have won. Hammer might have even won in a fairly weak field.

    There is no possible universe in which Hammer would have won against Rockwell, Dafoe or even Jenkins

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    There is no possible universe in which Hammer would have won against Rockwell, Dafoe or even Jenkins

    No he wouldn’t have, but I believe the poster was saying that he could’ve won in a different weaker lineup.

    Although I disagree with that, as I believe Stuhlbarg would’ve made the cut in a different weaker lineup with Hammer, and they’d have split.

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    No he wouldn’t have, but I believe the poster was saying that he could’ve won in a different weaker lineup.

    Although I disagree with that, as I believe Stuhlbarg would’ve made the cut in a different weaker lineup with Hammer, and they’d have split.

    Oops I got that absolutely wrong. I thought they meant that Hammer would have won because it was a weak line-up. Sorry!

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    It’s kind of silly to say that not campaigning Stuhlbarg potentially could have led to Chalamet winning and better chances for Best Picture.

    The industry was just not behind this movie as much as the internet. Chalamet was never going to beat Oldman. It was just never going to happen. Fanboys wanted it to happen, but anyone who actually follows Award season knew that Oldman was one of the most undeniable winners ever. The only place I thought Chalamet may win was the Globes because Oldman had said unkind things about the HFPA. When he won that, everyone should’ve known Oldman was winning 100%.

    And CMBYM could not even get in SAG ensemble and only had 4 nominations on the day. It was very lucky to get into Best Picture, which is sad because I loved the film. The industry just didn’t love it as much as I did or the internet.

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    Sorry this thread is about campaigning not deserving winners. Having the two leads nominated (Chalamet and Hammer) together promoting the film would have been more unified and narrative driven, given what they did for that movie, than any other permutation.

    Anyway it’s not a hill I need to die on, I just read recently that Hammer was affected by the split campaign fom the producers and that it had affected his willingness to engage with the campaign. I also, by the by, think it is an excellent movie which was ahead of its time and would be rewarded today as we hopefully tire of old white men winning for the same old white men biopic roles again.

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    What negative stuff did Gary Oldman say about the Globes?

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    I don’t know if Norbit counts, but back in the day when I started to read about awards there were so many gasps for Murphy. I know objectively that shouldn’t have mattered, and there were so many variables out of his reach but you know Tinseltown.

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    He lashed

    “The Hollywood Foreign Press Association is kidding you that something’s happening. They’re fucking ridiculous. There’s nothing going on at all. It’s 90 nobodies having a wank.”

    Thanks. I guess he has a point. There was a documentary I saw once (and haven’t been able to find again on youtube or anywhere) that examined their often unrespectable past.

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    The Melissa Leo stories almost make me a fan of hers. I haven’t seen that kind of entitled divatude in forever, and from someone who really shouldn’t have it either! Love it!

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