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    What do you think would be the headlines and Monday Morning Quarterback afterwards? And where do you think it would rank in terms of shocking Oscar upsets this century? Would it be seen as karma against Miramax and Harvey Weinstein after Shakespeare in Love bested Saving Private Ryan?

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    Weinstein wasn’t a big supporter of Chicago. He thought The Hours and Gangs of New York were his Oscar vehicles that year. Chicago won without strong support from Weinstein. Rob Marshall even refused to go to the Miramax party after the SAG awards I believe since he was upset with their lack of support.

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    Weinstein wasn’t a big supporter of Chicago. He thought The Hours and Gangs of New York were his Oscar vehicles that year. Chicago won without strong support from Weinstein. Rob Marshall even refused to go to the Miramax party after the SAG awards I believe since he was upset with their lack of support.

    Ah, I see. But still, what do you think would’ve been the general reaction if The Pianist had won BP over Chicago? I’d like to hear what you think.

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    I think it might as you said been seen as a smack towards Miramax. After it won surprise victories for Actor and Director it was beginning to look like it would take Best Picture too.

    A Best Picture win would probably have made things even more complicated in retrospect since the Polanski win has become such a controversial win in subsequent years.

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    I think it might as you said been seen as a smack towards Miramax. After it won surprise victories for Actor and Director it was beginning to look like it would take Best Picture too. A Best Picture win would probably have made things even more complicated in retrospect since the Polanski win has become such a controversial win in subsequent years.

    I wonder how much worse Crash’s BP win looks in light of the allegations leveled against Paul Haggis.

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    I wonder how much worse Crash’s BP win looks in light of the allegations leveled against Paul Haggis.

    I didn’t know about charges against Haggis. The difference I think would be that with Haggis and Kevin Spacey the charges came out after the won so how would the academy know.

    With Polanski they were out before he won. That is a fascinating win to watch. Some people (Streep) stand right up but a lot of others look very confused as to what to do.

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    I didn’t know about charges against Haggis. The difference I think would be that with Haggis and Kevin Spacey the charges came out after the won so how would the academy know. With Polanski they were out before he won. That is a fascinating win to watch. Some people (Streep) stand right up but a lot of others look very confused as to what to do.

    I think it’s very telling there was no background music for his win. I feel like there’d be a lot of conflicting feelings over the Pianist winning. On one hand, I doubt many would argue it didn’t deserve to win. Hell, there are some who believe it should’ve won over Chicago. On the other hand, it’s directed by a convicted rapist, regardless of the many great films he’d made in the past. All sorts of ickiness comes from that sort of baggage. For what it’s worth, I actually watched The Pianist and it was such a haunting, utterly gut-punching experience. In the good sense, of course.

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    That would have been one of the worst upsets in Oscar history.

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    It was the most deserving of the nominees that year, but it’s a lesser Polanski effort, so I imagine, had it won, that at this point it would be remembered more for the upset of it winning (and for awarding Polanski) than for anything else.

    Still, it would be one of the better winners from that decade.

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    Probably would have been fine. Most at the time thought that had voting extended another month, “The Pianist” would have won over “Chicago.” Even its three wins were considered upsets. Few predicted Harwood’s sparse screenplay to win adapted. Brody was definitely a surprise, but some thought with four previous winners and Nicholson campaigning for Brody, it was within the realm of possibility. Polanski was a shock for obvious reasons. The views of these wins in hindsight have changed, but at the time I think were cheered. BP might have been too.

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    It was the most deserving of the nominees that year, but it’s a lesser Polanski effort, so I imagine, had it won, that at this point it would be remembered more for the upset of it winning (and for awarding Polanski) than for anything else.

    Still, it would be one of the better winners from that decade.

    EXACTLY

    Though,it was made by a POS but it was a very powerful film.

    I still wonder how it lost BP after winning key awards like Best Screenplay and Best Director.

    Chicago is one of most undeserving BP winner of all time for me.

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    EXACTLY Though,it was made by a POS but it was a very powerful film. I still wonder how it lost BP after winning key awards like Best Screenplay and Best Director. Chicago is one of most undeserving BP winner of all time for me.

    Why? Because it’s not about men? You sit down baby!… Chicago being a musical about women doesn’t took anything away from its greatness.

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    Why? Because it’s not about men? You sit down baby!… Chicago being a musical about women doesn’t took anything away from its greatness.

    That was not my point but OKAY.

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    That was not my point but OKAY.

    Yeh it wasn’t but why was The Pianist better than Chicago? I guess Chicago’s genre and cast influence your judgment on it.

    It’s like saying dramatic performance are always better than comedic’s ones… Chicago deserved, face it, and it’s not even an unpopular opinion.

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    Yeh it wasn’t but why was The Pianist better than Chicago? I guess Chicago’s genre and cast influence your judgment on it.

    It’s like saying dramatic performance are always better than comedic’s ones… Chicago deserved, face it, and it’s not even an unpopular opinion.

    Well,I simply didn’t like it and I think that there were 3 films better than it in Top 5 2002 but that’s merely just my opinion and I could be opinion.

    Talking about Musical Genre then Yes,I am not the biggest fan of it.It maybe my least favorite Genre and I can’t think of musicals I really liked except La La Land,Sound of Music and Wizard of Oz.

    Whether it’s female dominant film or male dominant film is never my point of liking a Picture as it should be with everyone.
    You would have known if you knew me personally.

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