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    RIDLEY SCOTT
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    Hilary Swank is not latina lmao

    Yeah. I don’t think she is latina

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    Me walking into this thread:

    FYC: All things The Crown, Hacks and I May Destroy You (and Hannah Waddingham and Julianne Nicholson whilst you're at it)!!

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    I don’t think the it’s the Academy that’s at fault really its more a matter of the roles not being there. However the past decade or 2 this has been changing and there are now many roles for Black performers so they will win lead awards.

    Looking back at the Black lead actor nominees Denzel Washington should have won in 1992 for Malcom X rather than his win in 2001 for Training day. Others have been good enough to win in their years such as Morgan Freeman in 1994, Chiwetel Ejiofor in 2013, but the performers they lost to were arguably just as good.

    The Best lead actress category is historically more of a mess though, Whoopi Goldberg should have easily won for The Color Purple back in 1985. Angela Bassett could have won for What’s Love Got to Do with It in 1993 even though Holly Hunter was also very good so its not really a huge snub. Gabourey Sidibe was way better than Sandra Bullock in 2009.

    Geraldine Page was excellent in A Trip to Bountiful too and it was her 8th nomination- both performances were amazing.

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    It’s not only an Academy problem. Racism and white supremacy is present in literally every industry. But if you want to talk about the Oscars, the main problem for black actors is that the roles do not exist for them. It’s starting to change, yeah, but even this year with so many nominations for them, black actors once again were nominated only for playing tortured artists and social activists.

    I get tired of everyone framing it as a black vs white issue- what about Latinos, Asians, Middle Eastern, etc? They all have less acting oscars than blacks do. An Asian actress did win this year but she is only the second Asian actress to do so. Hollywood has a BIG diversity problem generally. It’s an across the board problem for all non whites.

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    I agree that racism is at the core. We live in a world where it would have NEVER been acceptable for Viola Davis to get on stage and howl like an animal. Ma Rainey was snubbed for Best Picture because it was “too theatrical.” It was just another trope to say to black actors that they were not good enough. British actors release the same damn film every two to three years (about royalty) and they are considered superior to their counterparts. If Julia Roberts plays a prostitute, Oscar nomination. If a black person plays that part…”oh they need to do something less stereotypical.” Margot Robbie can get a nomination for literally doing nothing. Or Renee Zellweger can win doing a piss poor imitation of Hollywood royalty. Meanwhile Alfre Woodard gives THE performance of the year and can barely sniff recognition. Black actors have to be super human in order to be considered good actors.

    I see nothing but your biased opinion here. You act like it’s okay to trash others for the sake of your (poor) personal agenda.

    No one on earth would have said a bad thing about Viola Davis in that case. This is in your head. McDormand paid tribute to her late crew member and it’s your issue that you see white privilege behind her honest act of kindness.

    Also, if you don’t know the difference between visibility and lack of visibility, it’s on you. Woodard never had the chance. NEON never campaigned for her. But guess what. They did for Parasite and it made history.

    Your take on Renée Zellweger’s work is also pretty damn awful. Even if you disliked her performance, the way you are trying to dismiss her and other women, implying that they didn’t work hard is pretty wrong. You either support artists for their contributions or don’t. There is no between. Even if I dislike a performance, I can at least appreciate their work. It’s the minimum.

    Maybe Ma Rainey was snubbed because people didn’t care about the movie. Maybe both Davis and Boseman lost because the other (more acclaimed) performances were more popular among the voters. And maybe, people just didn’t find Viola Davis’ performance Oscar-worthy. Maybe, just maybe, not everything is about racism.

    The whole of Hollywood supported the #BLM movement. They preached about change and inclusion, and half the acting nominees were POC talent. They rewarded a movie with a female lead over 60, an Asian female director, a female screenwriter, two POC in supporting. Including the first Korean acting winner. POC artists made history in some of the creative categories. Judas and Ma Rainey both won 2 Oscars.

    I’m so tired of people trashing everything and cannot appreciate the OBVIOUS change and positive atmosphere. This is why the conversation cannot move on toward even more positive change.

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    I get tired of everyone framing it as a black vs white issue- what about Latinos, Asians, Middle Eastern, etc? They all have less acting oscars than blacks do. An Asian actress did win this year but she is only the second Asian actress to do so. Hollywood has a BIG diversity problem generally. It’s an across the board problem for all non whites.

    They sadly don’t exist in the diversity conversation. I have no idea why, but I find it absurd that we are not talking about it more. Or the fact that Youn just literally won. I think that’s worth celebrating. Asian talent has done well in the last two years and I hope that they will have more and more opportunities in the future.

    Sandra Oh, bring it on, girl!

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    They sadly don’t exist in the diversity conversation. I have no idea why, but I find it absurd that we are not talking about it more. Or the fact that Youn just literally won. I think that’s worth celebrating. Asian talent has done well in the last two years and I hope that they will have more and more opportunities in the future. Sandra Oh, bring it on, girl!

    Cute that people think that Youn winning a fairly weak category  is somehow proof of anything and thats ignoring the fact that supporting doesnt seem to have race problems.

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    I won’t say the roles aren’t there.

    For instance, Miss Juneteenth wasn’t your typical “black” movie, and that was in the conversation before it got halted.

    The issue will always be the companies not pushing these films for all they’re worth.

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    Youn winning is still progress after 63 years of no Asian actresses winning an Oscar, don’t discredit that. OscarsSoWhite should be used as a catalyst to make more roles available for non whites that could be played by any race, not as a movement to turn the Academy into a virtue signaling body that only honors actors because of their track record on race.

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    Yeah. I don’t think she is latina

    Weirdly enough, Swank is at least partially Latinx. Every indication points to her being Wonder Bread white, but apparently she has family on her mom’s side from Mexico. Swank does not present as Latinx, and pretty much passes as fully white, but she technically is Latinx.

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    Yet all those films were race related. As the Academy gets more diversified, the less Black actors will win for those kind of roles. Black filmmakers need to start telling 50% of stories that are normal aka not race related. International voting black does not think like American voters. They will not vote based on race to avoid racism tag, they will vote only if they like a performance.

    What even is this take? You basically want colorblind movies, but aren’t smart enough to realize that “race related” stories are lived reality for people of color. August Wilson’s plays are, in fact, quite squarely simply about the lives of Black people! How can you ask for films that disregard the actual history, lived culture and intersections of the people who make up the film?! And…why would you even want to do that?! Like, OK, sure, Viola coulda been Fern in Nomadland. But a Black woman in that position looks different. Her experiences are different.

    The assumption of “life as normal” is white lives. And that seems to motivate many of these dumbass takes that say “they shouldn’t be about race or politics”.

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    What even is this take? You basically want colorblind movies, but aren’t smart enough to realize that “race related” stories are lived reality for people of color. August Wilson’s plays are, in fact, quite squarely simply about the lives of Black people! How can you ask for films that disregard the actual history, lived culture and intersections of the people who make up the film?! And…why would you even want to do that?! Like, OK, sure, Viola coulda been Fern in Nomadland. But a Black woman in that position looks different. Her experiences are different. The assumption of “life as normal” is white lives. And that seems to motivate many of these dumbass takes that say “they shouldn’t be about race or politics”.

    I think people are wanting POC talent to play different kinds of roles in awards baits as well. It’s not that they should deny the ‘POC experience’ in their soul, or to star in such films all the time, but yeah, I’d like to see Viola Davis doing something like Nomadland or Frozen River. She pretty much has her own studio to manage that, so it’s not like a pipe dream. Just like in Widows: we’ve seen a strong powerful protagonist and no one cared about her race. I think films about POC experience are important, but it’s also important to see POC talent in films that don’t have race issues as one of their important topics. Like I want to see strong & proud & multi-dimensional characters. Woodard in Clemency or Noma Dumezweni in The Undoing is a great example of that. I feel like the reason why (white) people ignore such performances is that they feel they have to be rewarding POC talent for films about the POC experience and that only. How Viola never registered for something like Widows but was nominated for movies where racism was a primary topic, is pretty telling what kind of roles are making the cut for the Academy. Erivo in Harriet, Negga in Loving, Day in Billie Holiday, Spencer in The Help & Hidden Figures…etc. Why weren’t Spencer nominated for Luce, Erivo for Bad Times and the El Royale etc. Yeah, some of the examples are wild, and I don’t mean to start a conversation about the likeability of these theories, but like it’s obvious they’d nominate them for playing historical black characters, but turn their head away if they do something similarly strong in other films.

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    What even is this take? You basically want colorblind movies, but aren’t smart enough to realize that “race related” stories are lived reality for people of color. August Wilson’s plays are, in fact, quite squarely simply about the lives of Black people! How can you ask for films that disregard the actual history, lived culture and intersections of the people who make up the film?! And…why would you even want to do that?! Like, OK, sure, Viola coulda been Fern in Nomadland. But a Black woman in that position looks different. Her experiences are different. The assumption of “life as normal” is white lives. And that seems to motivate many of these dumbass takes that say “they shouldn’t be about race or politics”.

    You’re absolutely right. And at the same time these performance will continue not to win mainstream awards. They is partly because of the exclusivity of the “for us, by us” approach to lived and performed Black culture, and also sheer demographics of the broader community of film.

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    I get tired of everyone framing it as a black vs white issue- what about Latinos, Asians, Middle Eastern, etc? They all have less acting oscars than blacks do. An Asian actress did win this year but she is only the second Asian actress to do so. Hollywood has a BIG diversity problem generally. It’s an across the board problem for all non whites.

    It’s framed like that because of Amero-centric view. In America, dirversity boils down to that. Which is why Oscar predictors get shocked over and over when when winners don’t reflect the (mostly American social media and American media) demand for more black wins. International members couldn’t be bothered and they are also the reason for Asian wins surge of late.  That’s something diversity demander didn’t count on, that international members couldn’t be guilt-tripped into voting according to American standard of diversity.

    Look what happeend with BAFTA. They created a jury with the goal to enfore American view on diversity so Actress line-up was designed to eek a victory for one of actresses who weren’t McDormand or Kirby. BAFTA flat out ignored it and voted for McDormand. They voted for Hopkins. It isn’t their problem and all the Americna hand-wringing wasn’t going to change that especially if they liked other performers better. Which they did.

    Kaluuya won because voters felt he was the best in his category. Ditto Youn. Ditto Zhao. They didn’t think Boseman, Davis and Day were in theirs so they didn’t win. It’s very simple.  Now what isn’t simple is that so-called narratives try to force wins for lesser performances by taking attention away from (lacking) performance and putting the emphasis on something unrelated. Overdue for a win because of body of work (even though voters vote for the performance at hand not for what happened 20-30 years ago and performance that’s being judged ins’t the best in the category). Would be the second [insert minority] actress to win the category (although the actress put a low effort to transorm with fatsuit and lipsynch in a borederline supporting role that wasn’t even the best thing about her not-so-good movie let alone in her category).  has died young and won’t be able to win again (even though he wasn’t even the second best in his category that also boasts a contender with GOAT reviews unmatched in years let alone last year). So when these lesser performances rightfully lose, their stans pull up race or other card not because they really believe it but because their “narrative” push didn’t fool AMPAS who saw through it and voted for who they thought was the best.

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    Geraldine Page was excellent in A Trip to Bountiful too and it was her 8th nomination- both performances were amazing.

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    Yeah Geraldine Page was always good and is deserving of an Oscar win, However in that particular year between the two performances Whoopi Goldberg is much more deserving in my opinion.

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