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    My girlfriend and I watched “Four weddings and a funeral” the other night. You know, classic romcom. But mid-movie we realized that Andie MacDowell is actually the antagonist: her character willingly and openly cheats on her fiancé/husband and when things don’t work out she sabotages Hugh Grant’s character’s wedding. In the end she gets everything she wants and probably won’t change her ways.

    Another movie that comes to mind is Top Gun, where Tom Cruise’s character is an unpredictable egocentric maniac, who kills his best friend, while the official antagonist portrayed by Val Kilmer is a textbook soldier.

    What are other movies, where the bad guys win in the end, but it’s not Bond-villain-obvious?

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    Dan Jo
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    Edward Norton in Primal Fear

    Juliette Binoche in Damage

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    Not sure if I’m getting this right but

    Leonard in Memento

    Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network

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    Henry Hill technically wins in Goodfellas, but he’s such a self pitying asshole that his normal life feels far worse to him than imprisonment. So he wins, but he himself can’t see it. Which is for the best, as it means he still is punished in his own way.

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    Gone Girl? Tough one to pinpoint a bad guy; both protagonists are pretty terrible.

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    Is not a movie but the ending of Game of thrones was exactly that, Bran was the villain and he won at the end, he played 4d chess while the others played checkers

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    Is not a movie but the ending of Game of thrones was exactly that, Bran was the villain and he won at the end, he played 4d chess while the others played checkers

    Going along with that, Sansa acted like a xenophobe who jumped at the first chance to take power for herself under extremely nonsensical and selfish reasons, which she’s never called out on.

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    Going along with that, Sansa acted like a xenophobe who jumped at the first chance to take power for herself under extremely nonsensical and selfish reasons, which she’s never called out on.

    I totally forgot about Sansa, you’re right, she was another villain. I never thought that I would hate the Starks at the end.

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    Black Panther — T’Challa ideology shifted and to Erin’s despite the latter dying.

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    I totally forgot about Sansa, you’re right, she was another villain. I never thought that I would hate the Starks at the end.

    I fucking hate the Starks = Low-rate Lannisters.

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    Didn’t you ask the same question in reddit?

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    It was a book before it was a movie, but I felt like Sayuri became a really awful person by the end of Memoires of a Geisha. She ruins Pumpkin’s chance to become the adopted mother of the okiya, which pretty much destroys their friendship in the process. She aligns herself with a Nazi ally just for the money and status protection it gives. And she treats Nobu, a man who literally saved her life and did so much for her, like absolute shit just because of his face, refusing him as her Danna for said Nazi dictator, later having sex with the ambassador just to get him to leave her, and then finally succeeding in making him so angry that he abandons her when The Chairman tells him everything. I know she was treated awfully as a child and lived in a cruel world, but that doesn’t make me feel any less sorry for Pumpkin, Nobu, and all the other good people she hurt just so she could get what she wanted, which was The Chairman.

    Fuck the Grammys

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    Zodiac
    There Will Be Blood
    The Wolf of Wall Street
    The Irishman

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    The Devil’s Advocate
    Fight Club
    The Dark Knight
    Candyman
    The Silence of The Lambs (both sides win)
    No Country for Old Men (nobody wins, but the bad guy doesn’t lose either).

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    Zodiac There Will Be Blood The Wolf of Wall Street The Irishman

    None of the villains win in The Irishman. They all go on to live unfulfilling, sad, lonely lives. Or they were murdered.

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