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    Both years considered by many as two of the weakest field ever in Oscar’s best actress race.

     

    1984’s lineup:

    Sally Field, Places in The Heart

    Judy Davis, A Passage to India

    Vanessa Redgrave, The Bostonians

    Jessica Lange, Country

    Sissy Spacek, The River

     

    1994’s lineup:

    Jessica Lange, Blue Sky

    Susan Sarandon, The Client

    Jodie Foster, Nell

    Miranda Richardson, Tom & Viv

    Winona Ryder, Little Women

     

    What’s went wrong?

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    In 1984, ironically Sally Field was the weakest (and Sissy). Vanessa Redgrave gave such a superior, nuanced and elegant performance in that dull Merchant-Ivory movie. Judy Davis was also really good. I think Anne Bancroft should have been nominated for a very less-seen movie Garbo Talks. And Peggy Ashcroft was nominated in the supporting category though she won for the lead category at nyfcc and BAFTA. I think it should have gone to Judy or Vanessa.

    As for 1994, Linda Fiorentino was ROBBED. She won almost all critics awards only to be deemed ineligible by the Academy. I think Jennifer Jason Leigh also deserved a nomination for Mrs. Parker.

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    i would have given the oscars in 1994 to Winona Ryder

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    If you see Blue Sky, you’ll see where Lange’s American Horror Story foundation came from. If you loved AHS, you’ll certainly love her performance in Blue Sky. That being said,yes 1994 was really weak. In contrast to just the previous year when we had two of the greatest performances in Holly Hunter (The Piano) and the evergreen Angela Bassett (What’s Love Got To Do With It?). Throw in Stockhard Channing and Debra Winger and you’ll realise that anyone of them would have been deserving winners had their films come out a year later.

    Emmy FYC
    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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    If you see Blue Sky, you’ll see where Lange’s American Horror Story foundation came from. If you loved AHS, you’ll certainly love her performance in Blue Sky. That being said,yes 1994 was really weak. In contrast to just the previous year when we had two of the greatest performances in Holly Hunter (The Piano) and the evergreen Angela Bassett (What’s Love Got To Do With It?). Throw in Stockhard Channing and Debra Winger and you’ll realise that anyone of them would have been deserving winners had their films come out a year later.

    Yes. Stockard Channing is awesome in that ‘Cats’ movie 🤣. Her monologue at the dinner table is so well done and powerful.

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    Less sure about the Oscar politics in the 80s, I know for ’94 a lot of the very best performances that year were either foreign or too small/independent (or disqualified, in Fiorentino’s case). All the following names would have been deserving:
    Kathleen Turner, Serial Mom (my personal favorite)
    Melanie Lynskey, Heavenly Creatures
    Crissy Rock, Ladybird Ladybird
    Jennifer Jason Leigh, Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle (seems like the most glaring snubs amongst the precursors)
    Irène Jacob, Three Colors: Red
    Internationally there were also missed opportunities to give qualifying releases to Once Were Warriors and Muriel’s Wedding.

    From 1984, the only nominated performances I’ve seen are from Davis and Redgrave, both of whom are good. I would also cite Gena Rowlands for Love Streams and Nastassja Kinski for Paris, Texas.

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    Less sure about the Oscar politics in the 80s, I know for ’94 a lot of the very best performances that year were either foreign or too small/independent (or disqualified, in Fiorentino’s case). All the following names would have been deserving:
    Kathleen Turner, Serial Mom (my personal favorite)
    Melanie Lynskey, Heavenly Creatures
    Crissy Rock, Ladybird Ladybird
    Jennifer Jason Leigh, Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle (seems like the most glaring snubs amongst the precursors)
    Irène Jacob, Three Colors: Red
    Internationally there were also missed opportunities to give qualifying releases to Once Were Warriors and Muriel’s Wedding.

    From 1984, the only nominated performances I’ve seen are from Davis and Redgrave, both of whom are good. I would also cite Gena Rowlands for Love Streams and Nastassja Kinski for Paris, Texas.

    I think Heavenly Creatures was close on a supporting nom for Lynskey and lead nom for Winslet considering it made AFI top 10s. Though I don’t understand why Winslet was campaigned as Lead and Lynskey as supporting then when Winslet was not yet a star.

    Emmy FYC
    -Severance in all categories.
    -Ted Lasso in all categories.
    -The Dropout in all categories.

    -Jennifer Coolidge, Connie Britton, Margaret Qualley, Colin Firth
    -Jung Ho-Yeon, Lee Yoo-Mi, Sarah Snook, Laura Linney.
    -Jean Smart, Kaley Cuoco, Juno Temple, Sarah Lancashire and Martin Short.

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    I’m curious, can anybody tell me why Fiorentino disqualified/inelegible?

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    I’m curious, can anybody tell me why Fiorentino disqualified/inelegible?

    Because her film aired on TV before being released in theaters in LA County. That automatically made the film ineligible for any awards consideration at the Oscars.

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    I think 1994 is not as bad as people say. Yes, the films are not great, but I quite like all the performances.

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    Jamie Lee Curtis should have won for True Lies in supporting.

    I do actually liked Foster and Sarandon and especially Ryder in lead, though. But yeah, Kate Winslet was robbed big time.

    FYC 2022 Emmys:

    Best Actress in a Drama Series: Sandra Oh in "Killing Eve"

    Best Actress in a Comedy Series: Sandra Oh in "The Chair"

    Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series: Kim Joo-ryoung in "Squid Game"

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    I personally don’t have an issue with either of these wins.

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    If Foster hadn’t already won twice , she would of had taken it for Nell.

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    If only “WLGTDWI” were released a year later, sigh. Lange’s second win has aged pretty horribly. But in both years, that’s what the competition was, for better or worse. Nothing really to explain. Field’s win was the “year of the downtrodden farm wives,” so I mind it a bit less. Her second Oscar win though is < her first Oscar win.

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    If only “WLGTDWI” were released a year later, sigh. Lange’s second win has aged pretty horribly. But in both years, that’s what the competition was, for better or worse. Nothing really to explain. Field’s win was the “year of the downtrodden farm wives,” so I mind it a bit less. Her second Oscar win though is < her first Oscar win.

    Only her second, though….? Teri Garr was unfairly snubbed for the win back in the day.

    FYC 2022 Emmys:

    Best Actress in a Drama Series: Sandra Oh in "Killing Eve"

    Best Actress in a Comedy Series: Sandra Oh in "The Chair"

    Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series: Kim Joo-ryoung in "Squid Game"

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