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    Lovingly ripped off from the Robert De Niro thread.

    1972 – 2nd place. I get the feeling he would’ve won if he hadn’t boycotted the Oscars for placing him in the wrong category. But maybe it would’ve gone to Joel Grey regardless, as Cabaret did extremely well that year. I don’t like to think of how close that film might’ve been to beating The Godfather. It’s great, but not Godfather great. Ultimately I’m fine with Grey beating Pacino, as his turn as the Emcee is iconic, and unlike Pacino, he belonged in that category.

    1973 – My guess is 2nd place, but it’s definitely possible either Nicholson or Redford were ahead of him. It’s hard to tell with Redford, as this was the only time he ever got nominated for acting (wouldn’t be surprised if “slap the stud” is at least partially to blame for that), but his film won Best Picture, while Pacino’s and Nicholson’s didn’t make that lineup. I’m pretty sure Brando was last place, as his film was controversial then and now (never watched it, but some of those behind the scenes stories are extremely unpleasant), and I’m sure many people didn’t care for his denial of the award the previous year. It’s also possible Pacino had some people who were mad about his boycott the year before, but I’m guessing Brando’s overshadowed that.

    1974 – 2nd place, but it’s possible Nicholson was ahead of him, as he beat Pacino at the Golden Globes. Much like the idea of Cabaret coming close to beating Godfather, I don’t like to think of Nicholson’s Chinatown performance being ahead of Pacino’s Godfather II performance. Nicholson was exceptional and completely knocked it out of the park, but Pacino’s work was transcendent. The idea that he lost is baffling. I’ve always figured that Carney won because he was a well liked veteran who finally had a chance, and his fans pounced on the chance of rewarding him over his competition that was made up of younger actors in darker films. I think most people agree, this is when Pacino should’ve won.

    1975 – 2nd place. I like to imagine he was close. In almost any other year it would be an absolute crime if he lost. But Jack Nicholson was absolutely spectacular, and while its hard to choose between these two performances, I think Nicholson was ultimately the right call.

    1979 – 4th place. Peter Sellers was likely 2nd and Roy Scheider was likely 3rd. Those two were likely much further ahead of Pacino and I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them (most likely Sellers, who I believe was seen as the frrontrunner) was close to beating Hoffman.

    1990 – 3rd place. I’m gonna guess that Bruce Davison was 2nd based on his Globe win. Pacino might’ve been helped by Godfather III coming out that same year, but it’s just really hard to see him coming too close for such a divisive comic book movie. The film may have been able to win in below the line categories, but an above the line one was likely out of the question. It’s possible Graham Greene may have been ahead of Pacino, what with being in the night’s Best Picture winner and all.

    1992 – 4th place. I’m gonna guess Nicholson was 2nd and Jaye Davidson was 3rd. Pacino might’ve been higher on the list if he hadn’t won lead that year, as I’m guessing few people voted for him in both categories. I’m guessing Gene Hackman was much further ahead of everyone else.

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    Let’s see…
    Pacino was a relative newcomer in 72. The other nominees were more established. And to me he is supporting. Joel was the early favorite and stayed that way. Given the # of nominees for The Gf, it’s a guess who was second. It may even have been Eddie Albert.

    The situation was different in 73, but I don’t think he was second. That was Redford. BP winner, goodwill propped by Newman, and a BP win. Serpico wasn’t universally loved.
    I would never say that about Carney in 74. He earned that Oscar in more ways than one. That s a year where Pacino and Nicholson deserved a tie for second. They already gave an Oscar to Di Nero for the same film, and I doubt there was any urgency to give it another acting win

    Nicholson owned that Oscar in 75, and I believe Matthau was second with Pacino close behind at third.

    79 I agree he was 4th or 5th with Lemmon second and Sellers third, not because he wasn’t as good but because of the reputation attached to his name.

    Pacino was close to last that year and some critics panned his performance. I don’t mean to namedrop, but Graham told me he knew there was no way he was winning. But his film did win and he gave an endearing performance.

    in 92 his win was panned as a career win just because. It’s hard for me to get a handle on second, but I doubt it was RDJ. My guess is that it was Clint BP and BD winner and my personal favorite. He didn’t face the same barriers as Denzel, who was magnificent.

    My phone is going to crap out now, but I offer my humble opinions.
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    Geez i spelled De Niros name wrong all over the place.

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    1972 Second place. I’ve never got the full story on his boycotting that ceremony. Did he say stuff in advance that that is why he wouldn’t be attending?

    1973 I’d say second if there wasn’t lingering resentment from the year before. He did win the Globe so that helped. Nicholson was probably his closest competition. I’m not sure if Redford was really considered more than just a pretty face at this time. It is sort of surprising he got in ahead of Paul Newman but I’m guessing having The Sting and The Way We Were in the same year probably helped. I always thought Brando’s inclusion was to show how much integrity they have as voters—even though you made a mockery of our show we say we vote for the best acting so we’ll still include you. (Kind of like what they did with George C. Scott.)

    1974 Carney is an one of the oddest wins ever. He was a TV star without much film work. I think Nicholson and Pacino split the younger vote and the older academy members went for Carney. So he was second or third.

    1975 Definitely second place. Could have won had Cuckoo’s Nest not been such a sweeper.

    1979 Last place. He really got in on the basis of the one famous speech. The rest of the movie is sort of bland.

    1990 I’d say third behind Pesci and Bruce Davison.

    1992 Probably 4th or 5th even since people were voting for him in lead.

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    It’s a lot harder to analyze these earlier races since precursors weren’t as influential and a lot of it was putting your ear to the ground and listening to see who had the most buzz at the time.

    -Who knows in ’72, I think all The Godfather men vote-split anyways so he likely wasn’t too far off from Caan or Duvall wherever he placed. I want to say 3rd because he was unknown at the time, but he had considerably more screentime than the other two so it’s anyone’s guess.

    -For ’73, I would say 50/50 2nd or 3rd based on what I’ve read of that race (which is fairly limited so I could be wrong), Pacino and Nicholson did have some goodwill going into that night and both were considered strong possibilities as they were both up-and-coming popular actors giving baity performances. I don’t remember hearing about any specific passion for Redford’s individual performance, but he could have very well been a beneficiary of The Sting’s popularity. I think given his competition that Jack Lemmon was considered a slight upset? Again, someone correct me if I’m wrong.

    -For ’74, I want to say strong 2nd but Carney comes off as somewhat of an upset as well so Pacino probably vote-split with Nicholson once again. Godfather Part II was huge that year and he would have made sense as a beneficiary of that sweep, then again Chinatown was as well.

    -’75, I would say solidly second. I would say he was in a similar position as Nicholson despite his persona where he was building up a repertoire and earning the respect of Academy members, Nicholson had the edge only because his film was so undeniably big that year. Had Cuckoo’s Nest not been there, I think there would have been a narrative of it being his time after coming so close so many times as Nicholson had. Matthau already had his career Oscar.

    -’79, I want to say 4th or (maybe) 5th, Hoffman was once again the beneficiary of a sweep and Peter Sellers likely got his fair share of overdue votes. I want to say Scheider third as it was obviously a popular film, and between Pacino and Lemmon I have no idea. Both come off as name-checks with considerably less passion than the contenders, but I’d like to think voters would have been pensive to give Lemmon a third Oscar so soon so Pacino makes sense.

    -’90, I know very little about this race but Davison won the Globe so he makes sense as second. After such a long gap between nominations I want to say Pacino was officially in overdue territory, even though it’s not a great performance he was probably solidly third.

    -’92, he had to be 4th or 5th, maybe only slightly above Paymer. Imo he should have won here instead of in Leading though lol

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    Redford had already won BAFTA long before then in Tell Them Willie Boy was Here.
    He also received good notices for The Great Gatsby. The slap the stud has been around since the beginning, but Redford managed to set himself apart.

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    another odd thing about Carney’s win is that Fred Astaire was favored to win Supporting Actor but they ignored the elder legend there and went for a Godfather actor but then in lead actor they didn’t do the same thing

    (BTW Carney wasn’t even that old at the time in real life even though he was playing an older character in the film.)

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    another odd thing about Carney’s win is that Fred Astaire was favored to win Supporting Actor but they ignored the elder legend there and went for a Godfather actor but then in lead actor they didn’t do the same thing

    (BTW Carney wasn’t even that old at the time in real life even though he was playing an older character in the film.)

    I suspect there was some genre bias happening there. Big blockbuster disaster film vs more academy friendly fare.

    ETA: Carney’s subtle performance got to me. He managed to get to my emotions. That s not easy to do with the vehicle he had. And his age is irrelevant. It’s acting after all.

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    Btw Sellers was attached to some terrible controversy regarding his personal life, which is why I doubt he was second. At best third. Being There is probably my favorite comedy.

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    I suspect there was some genre bias happening there. Big blockbuster disaster film vs more academy friendly fare.

    ETA: Carney’s subtle performance got to me. He managed to get to my emotions. That s not easy to do with the vehicle he had. And his age is irrelevant. It’s acting after all.

    I like Carney’s performance too. I didn’t mean to imply it was a bad choice by the academy just an unusual one. I guess the scene where he is driving talking to the cat is usually cited as the moment that really got to people. It’s quite powerful.

    I guess Astaire was following in the footsteps of Helen Hayes (Airport) and Shelley Winters (The Poseidon Adventure.) Hayes won and Winters almost did but they had better roles. Hayes is funny and Winters genuinely moving. Astaire was just there basically. No real pizzazz to the performance.

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    I like Carney’s performance too. I didn’t mean to imply it was a bad choice by the academy just an unusual one. I guess the scene where he is driving talking to the cat is usually cited as the moment that really got to people. It’s quite powerful.

    I guess Astaire was following in the footsteps of Helen Hayes (Airport) and Shelley Winters (The Poseidon Adventure.) Hayes won and Winters almost did but they had better roles. Hayes is funny and Winters genuinely moving. Astaire was just there basically. No real pizzazz to the performance.

    Carney broke my heart into little bits without even trying and Astaire made the ultimate sacrifice amid all that Vx chaos.

    I want to point out that Arkin was the only acting nod to come out of that BP winner.
    I was worried for Winters. I think she did some of her own stunts.

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    I think Pacino came in second for his nominations for “Dog Day AFternoon” & “The Godfather”. I don’t think there were any other second place finishes. I am enjoying the discussion about Fred Astaire (he likely came second behind DeNiro) & Shelley Winters (likely second after Eileen Heckart).

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    Carney broke my heart into little bits without even trying and Astaire made the ultimate sacrifice amid all that Vx chaos.

    I want to point out that Arkin was the only acting nod to come out of that BP winner.
    I was worried for Winters. I think she did some of her own stunts.

    Winters definitely did stunts. She dives into the water without a cutaway and then she is seen freeing Gene Hackman in that long underwater scene. Definitely her. No cutaways to a stunt performer.

    Those older women roles in disaster movies were considered career restarters after Hayes and Winters. I saw on youtube how Jennifer Jones thought Towering Inferno would do the same for her but then she didn’t even get nominated (did get a Globe nomination though.)

    Gloria Swanson did Airport 1975 and Olivia de Haviland did The Swarm also to lesser success.

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