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    I wouldn’t have been shocked if Glenn had won BAFTA- yeah Colman was the frontrunner there but it was definitely possible for Glenn to have been rubber stamped there. When she wasn’t I knew that Colman had a chance to upset but like everybody else I couldn’t picture them snubbing Glenn after the campaign she had.

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    I wouldn’t have been shocked if Glenn had won BAFTA- yeah Colman was the frontrunner there but it was definitely possible for Glenn to have been rubber stamped there. When she wasn’t I knew that Colman had a chance to upset but like everybody else I couldn’t picture them snubbing Glenn after the campaign she had.

    When I looked at Golderby pre-Oscar, I saw that all experts agree that Close would win, as well as most users. While people predicted some upsets in the other categories. Apparently, people were more certain about a Weisz, Grant or Bale’s upset than a Colman’s upset. That, and when I looked at some website’s predictions, most listed Close as the one who will win AND who should win. That’s how strong Close had built up her momentum at that point. I mean this must have been the most unexpected and heart-breaking moment at the Oscar. Even Frances McDormand kinda looked at Close disappointingly and sad when she was presenting the nominees. She had opened the evelope and she knew the winner beforehand.

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    When I looked at Golderby pre-Oscar, I saw that all experts agree that Close would win, as well as most users. While people predicted some upsets in the other categories. Apparently, people were more certain about a Weisz, Grant or Bale’s upset than a Colman’s upset. That, and when I looked at some website’s predictions, most listed Close as the one who will win AND who should win. That’s how strong Close had built up her momentum at that point. I mean this must have been the most unexpected and heart-breaking moment at the Oscar. Even Frances McDormand kinda looked at Close disappointingly and sad when she was presenting the nominees. She had opened the evelope and she knew the winner beforehand.

    Where did you hear that she opened it before?

    If you watch the video Frances looks sort of happy and then opens the envelope and looks sad and quickly looks at Close and then over to Colman who is on the left. Close is in the center with Gaga. Sam Rockwell seems to just look at Close.

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    Where did you hear that she opened it before?

    If you watch the video Frances looks sort of happy and then opens the envelope and looks sad and quickly looks at Close and then over to Colman who is on the left. Close is in the center with Gaga. Sam Rockwell seems to just look at Close.

    Frances was throwing a kiss to Close, and then holding the envelope against her lips looking disappointing as if something bad was gonna happen. She even slightly shook her head. She knew it!

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    Frances was throwing a kiss to Close, and then holding the envelope against her lips looking disappointing as if something bad was gonna happen. She even slightly shook her head. She knew it!

    I think they are only handed the envelope right before they walk on stage. Not sure if there was time for her to peak. Plus people would be watching. Meryl peaked a couple of years ago presenting to Daniel Day-Lewis and kind of ruined the moment. They barely had time to get the five nominees pictures onscreen.

    The producer or the academy president or someone said they weren’t happy that she did that but she’s Meryl so what can you do.

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    I think they are only handed the envelope right before they walk on stage. Not sure if there was time for her to peak.

    The envelope seems to open very easily. Just a single small detail can reveal the whole thing. Something told me Frances knew everything right at that moment.

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    I don’t think she did- she made a weird gesture at Close before they read the nominees and put the envelope up to her lips because she was excited about opening it and wanted to get on with it. Her reaction when she read Colman’s name indicates to me that she was a bit disappointed that Glenn had lost but she ended up saving face and being happy for Colman anyway.

    I hated Meryl saying the name like that but maybe she thought she was doing the nominees a favor.She’s the biggest Oscar loser ever even with her wins and knows how hard it is to have a million people watch you pretend to be happy for somebody else winning although weirdly enough she has had by far the best reactions each time she has lost.She still should have waited a little longer because it ended up disrespecting the other nominees by not showing them all as a group but what can you do? Like you said she’s Meryl.

    Speaking of envelope peeking it’s almost a cinch that F.Murray Abraham opened the envelope with Geraldine Page’s name in it prior to him announcing the winner. You can see this devilish look in his eyes right after he announces Page’s nomination and the crowd is applauding for her.His being overcome with emotion and his “greatest actress” remark may seem to indicate that he didn’t know but I think that it was just him choking up about being the one to actually announce her name.

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    I don’t think she did- she made a weird gesture at Close before they read the nominees and put the envelope up to her lips because she was excited about opening it and wanted to get on with it. Her reaction when she read Colman’s name indicates to me that she was a bit disappointed that Glenn had lost but she ended up saving face and being happy for Colman anyway.

    I hated Meryl saying the name like that but maybe she thought she was doing the nominees a favor.She’s the biggest Oscar loser ever even with her wins and knows how hard it is to have a million people watch you pretend to be happy for somebody else winning although weirdly enough she has had by far the best reactions each time she has lost.She still should have waited a little longer because it ended up disrespecting the other nominees by not showing them all as a group but what can you do? Like you said she’s Meryl.

    Speaking of envelope peeking it’s almost a cinch that F.Murray Abraham opened the envelope with Geraldine Page’s name in it prior to him announcing the winner. You can see this devilish look in his eyes right after he announces Page’s nomination and the crowd is applauding for her.His being overcome with emotion and his “greatest actress” remark may seem to indicate that he didn’t know but I think that it was just him choking up about being the one to actually announce her name.

    I don’t think Abraham could have peaked. If you watch other presentations from that year like Angelica Huston’s the envelopes are really sealed and they have to pull a card out. Ricard Dreyfuss and Marsha Mason team up to get it open. Now they smartened up and just have the thing where they flip it open. Abraham has that gleam in his eye for all the nominees. I think that is just how he is. Plus he pauses for a while to come up with that “I think this is woman is the most talented…etc.” He probably had it memorized but it took him a moment to get it out. They were in a theater company together so he must have been happy to present to her. I sort of like when that happens. William Hurt and Sally Field are the same way that year. They had just done a play for television together so she knew him and they have a nice moment together.

    It’s funny how cheap some of those envelopes were. Some people hold them up when they win (I think maybe Jessica Lange for Tootsie) and it is just a piece of paper with the name typed up top. They don’t even center the name. I guess word processing wasn’t what it is now back then.

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    I don’t think Abraham could have peaked. If you watch other presentations from that year like Angelica Huston’s the envelopes are really sealed and they have to pull a card out. Ricard Dreyfuss and Marsha Mason team up to get it open. Now they smartened up and just have the thing where they flip it open. Abraham has that gleam in his eye for all the nominees. I think that is just how he is. Plus he pauses for a while to come up with that “I think this is woman is the most talented…etc.” He probably had it memorized but it took him a moment to get it out. They were in a theater company together so he must have been happy to present to her. I sort of like when that happens. William Hurt and Sally Field are the same way that year. They had just done a play for television together so she knew him and they have a nice moment together.

    It’s funny how cheap some of those envelopes were. Some people hold them up when they win (I think maybe Jessica Lange for Tootsie) and it is just a piece of paper with the name typed up top. They don’t even center the name. I guess word processing wasn’t what it is now back then.

    Off-topic but do you know if the orchestra knows the Oscar winners beforehand? They are not memorizing each and every theme for every nominee even with the rehearsals they do for the show as that would take way too much time so we know they have some sort sheet music that they play off of(and you can see they are looking at music here https://youtu.be/r5WAmxh3DrQ?t=36). It would be kinda cool if they did.

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    I don’t think Abraham could have peaked. If you watch other presentations from that year like Angelica Huston’s the envelopes are really sealed and they have to pull a card out. Ricard Dreyfuss and Marsha Mason team up to get it open. Now they smartened up and just have the thing where they flip it open. Abraham has that gleam in his eye for all the nominees. I think that is just how he is. Plus he pauses for a while to come up with that “I think this is woman is the most talented…etc.” He probably had it memorized but it took him a moment to get it out. They were in a theater company together so he must have been happy to present to her. I sort of like when that happens. William Hurt and Sally Field are the same way that year. They had just done a play for television together so she knew him and they have a nice moment together.

    It’s funny how cheap some of those envelopes were. Some people hold them up when they win (I think maybe Jessica Lange for Tootsie) and it is just a piece of paper with the name typed up top. They don’t even center the name. I guess word processing wasn’t what it is now back then.

    I know! I really wish more people showed their envelopes as it is my dream to open one. Which design do you like the best?

    By the way Meryl peaked off stage with a sealed envelope. This was the first year the envelopes weren’t sealed. From the 83rd Oscars and on, the white envelope with the red seal has not been used but the gold/red/black envelopes still were sealed with a card in them. This was the first year where they were just envelopes that folded out to reveal the winner.

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    Off-topic but do you know if the orchestra knows the Oscar winners beforehand? They are not memorizing each and every theme for every nominee even with the rehearsals they do for the show as that would take way too much time so we know they have some sort sheet music that they play off of(and you can see they are looking at music here https://youtu.be/r5WAmxh3DrQ?t=36). It would be kinda cool if they did.

    The random classical and short song played during Olivia Colman’s win and not the Vivaldi piece that’s played in every The Favourite promo made me believe they don’t know the winner but rehearse the frontrunner so they can nail it.
    See how great Bohemian Rhapsody and Shallow sounded during their wins or even Frances McDormand or Patricia Arquette’s in past years, it was like they were waiting for that name to drop the music.
    However how weird Beale Street score went during Regina’s win when that was a category with doubts about its frontrunner and nicholas britell did much better pieces for the film.

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    I think they are given sheet music for all the nominees and then quickly grab the one that wins. Probably rehearse all of them at some point prior.

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    https://www.thewrap.com/glenn-close-and-mila-kunis-to-star-as-mother-and-daughter-in-drama-four-good-days/

    Another one in the mix. Not sure if she’d be Lead or Supporting for this role. It’ll be interesting if this can break through in a way that “Ben Is Back” and “Beautiful Boy” did not. If Hillbilly Elegy begins shooting in a few weeks and Four Good Days starts in September, I’m assuming Sunset Boulevard would be at the end of the year at the soonest.

    I still think there’s a very slight chance that Hillbilly Elegy could be released this year. Its shooting schedule is pretty much the same as The Post, and it’s not like this is going to be a VFX-heavy film. Releasing on Netflix also means the distribution and marketing are completely different from a traditional cinematic release. More than that, I’m betting Netflix wants a strong awards contender (is there anything else on their slate that could possibly be it?).

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    The random classical and short song played during Olivia Colman’s win and not the Vivaldi piece that’s played in every The Favourite promo made me believe they don’t know the winner but rehearse the frontrunner so they can nail it.
    See how great Bohemian Rhapsody and Shallow sounded during their wins or even Frances McDormand or Patricia Arquette’s in past years, it was like they were waiting for that name to drop the music.
    However how weird Beale Street score went during Regina’s win when that was a category with doubts about its frontrunner and nicholas britell did much better pieces for the film.

    It’s apparently not random. I don’t remember hearing it in the film but this video has the track that they played(https://youtu.be/vUE6bMxOZpI?t=374) and it is also written by Vivaldi.

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    Glenn won’t be winning two competitive Oscars in one night if she can’t win a Best Actress race that she won nearly all of the crucial prizes needed to win beforehand. She’ll get one though and hopefully in leading.

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