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    I wish Spike Lee would let it go already. I don’t see the point in boycotting something that clearly wasn’t made for you. Why do they feel the need to get validation from an award show that clearly isn’t for them? The same way the Caucasians have made the oscars such a prestigious award the blacks can do with their own award shows if they valued their own award shows and put it on such a pedestal as they do the white award shows. They have a Latin Grammys. Invest in what’s meant for you and cherish it as you would if they gave it to you. 

    And they do have award shows that hold value to them: the NAACP Awards, Soul Train Awards and BET Awards. But those award shows are not given a lot of media attention, at least not as much as the Oscars or VMAs. I think that’s the problem. Those minority shows don’t get nearly as much attention as the “Caucasian ones.” They’re seen as useless honors to most.

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    There was a legitimate point to be made about white privilege and male privilege in Academy which are alive and kicking. But you decided to have a needless go at Mad Max which is the only movie this year who has a reasonable shot at winning which is not about white men, in fact it’s all about how they’ve destroyed the world and all about women freeing themslves from patriarchy(Who killed the world) and freeing themselves from objectification (We are not things).

    So well-fucking-done for ruining the discussion. Bravo. 

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    I wish Spike Lee would let it go already. I don’t see the point in boycotting something that clearly wasn’t made for you. Why do they feel the need to get validation from an award show that clearly isn’t for them? The same way the Caucasians have made the oscars such a prestigious award the blacks can do with their own award shows if they valued their own award shows and put it on such a pedestal as they do the white award shows. They have a Latin Grammys. Invest in what’s meant for you and cherish it as you would if they gave it to you. 

    Minorities should just be happy with separate but equal BS? That’s so wrong on multiple levels.

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    I wish Spike Lee would let it go already. I don’t see the point in boycotting something that clearly wasn’t made for you. Why do they feel the need to get validation from an award show that clearly isn’t for them? The same way the Caucasians have made the oscars such a prestigious award the blacks can do with their own award shows if they valued their own award shows and put it on such a pedestal as they do the white award shows. They have a Latin Grammys. Invest in what’s meant for you and cherish it as you would if they gave it to you. 

    And they do have award shows that hold value to them: the NAACP Awards, Soul Train Awards and BET Awards. But those award shows are not given a lot of media attention, at least not as much as the Oscars or VMAs. I think that’s the problem. Those minority shows don’t get nearly as much attention as the “Caucasian ones.” They’re seen as useless honors to most.
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    Maybe. When you put it that. Most of the entertainers don’t even hold it in high regard. In fact, they kind of crap on them. Even the ones loved by the black community Beyonce, Denzel, Jay Z, Halle Berry, Will Smith, and others. You can bet your ass these entertainers will attend the Grammys, Oscars, Golden Globes, or Emmys. They won’t attend the BET awards or Image Awards though.

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    That’s because the BET and Image awards nominate anyone just because they’re black. If your film is the worst reviewed of the year , as long as your black- you’re a nominee. That’s also because there’s never enough to choose from to begin with. So to get 5 nominees they just nominate all the black Movies. And that’s why they become less notable.

    Again if the black community wants to be recognized for stellar work, start putting out stellar projects. Stop backing people like Tyler Perry and Kevin Hart that will continue to clown your image. Start finding more prestigious scripts and get stellar actors to perform them.

    And yes it does boil down to who votes for the material. As Will Smith once pointed out years ago (and this isn’t a word for word quote): “If you live in France you can expect the majority of your film nominees to be from that country. In America, black people are still minorities.”

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    [quote=”ValarMorghulis”]

    I wish Spike Lee would let it go already. I don’t see the point in boycotting something that clearly wasn’t made for you. Why do they feel the need to get validation from an award show that clearly isn’t for them? The same way the Caucasians have made the oscars such a prestigious award the blacks can do with their own award shows if they valued their own award shows and put it on such a pedestal as they do the white award shows. They have a Latin Grammys. Invest in what’s meant for you and cherish it as you would if they gave it to you. 

    Minorities should just be happy with separate but equal BS? That’s so wrong on multiple levels.
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    That’s not what I meant at all. I hope other users don’t interpret it that way. Oscars doesn’t really care to include them. No blacks got nominated this year. Is that anything new? Same thing happened last year. Same shit, different year. What I’m saying is these same black entertainers that are complaining about “white Oscars”, won’t even attend their own award shows that are practically made for them. #OscarsSoWhite and always has been. Black entertainers won’t even hold their own award shows in high regard as they do the Oscars.

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    Someone from the Academy or some from the oscars predicting field need to SHUT THIS ALL DOWN! and put the blame on the studios, not the oscars. They should explain that there were never actors of color within the top 4 or 5 spots within this conversation, and thus each actor had an uphill battle because they were never considered front runners.

    Yes, Will Smith was close, but he suffured to the common problem of voters probably not seeing the film because he was the only thing a person would watch the film for. Which being the single nomination from a film is always a challenge, and if they do watch the film they are taking the time to watch it for pretty much just Smith, so if he didn’t blow them away they might not care to nominate him!

    Idris Elba suffered from NETFLIX! They did not embrace netflix that largely. I know the documentary got in, but I think they embrace documentaries from different forms of seeing films than they do films. They still believe in seeing films in theaters, and thus BONN was not nominated.

    Michael B Jordan suffered from a late puch on Creed, because the studios did not think it was an awards contender. Thus they did not have time to push for him, and Sly Stallone still got in because he was the standout and his name carries more weight.

    Benecio del toro was always a long shot.

    Straight Outta Compton did not have a clear actor to nominate, something that many films suffer from. And none of the actors showed up at any precursers

    Oscar Isaac maybe could have happened if he has showed up in a few more precursers, but I think they saw the film as  technical film and not a performance film.

    Anyone from Tangerine was always a huge huge huge longshot.

    There were NO women of color in contention. That is the studio’s fault. We know they’re are talented women of color that could fill the roles of white women becuase they’re on television. 

    I feel that last year the reaction was justified. This year, there is no reason to be mad at the academy. Be mad at the studios. 

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    Instead of complaining they should start doing something about it. There were only 3 or 4 good black films ths year out of many white films. I don’t blame the Academy, I blame the industry. 

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    Spike Lee has been doing shitty films for years now. I don’t know why he’s complaining so much. 

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    That’s because the BET and Image awards nominate anyone just because they’re black. If your film is the worst reviewed of the year , as long as your black- you’re a nominee. That’s also because there’s never enough to choose from to begin with. So to get 5 nominees they just nominate all the black Movies. And that’s why they become less notable.
    Again if the black community wants to be recognized for stellar work, start putting out stellar projects. Stop backing people like Tyler Perry and Kevin Hart that will continue to clown your image. Start finding more prestigious scripts and get stellar actors to perform them.
    And yes it does boil down to who votes for the material. As Will Smith once pointed out years ago (and this isn’t a word for word quote): “If you live in France you can expect the majority of your film nominees to be from that country. In America, black people are still minorities.”

    That’s true. Last year NAACP gave Tiraji P. Henson a best actress award for a film that was panned by critics as one of the worst films of the year. 

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    When blacks or any other minorities make good enough films or give great performance  they are recognize, see 12 Years A Slave, Denzel Washington, Sidney Poiter, Morgan Freeman etc. The Academy should no allow to get coerced to hand nominations to lesser films with poor performance base on the color of the skin of the cast and crew of those movies.

    The Oscar needs to get rid of the preferential ballot so it can name a deserving movie as Best Picture again.

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    Spike Lee has been doing shitty films for years now. I don’t know why he’s complaining so much.

    Spike Lee will always be the greatest Hollywood mystery to me. The dude made 1 film that garnered major acclaim and has been allowed to ride that for the past 26 years. His greatest accomplishment since then is ESPN every now and then showing a shot of him on the sidelines of a Knicks games. He is a mediocre director who hasn’t done a damn thing in decades except bitch and moan. I wish he’d just retire and hope that the media stops looking to him as any voice of reason. 

    On the subject kind of, I agree with those – as I stated in a recent slug – that it’s not the Oscars fault really, but that a majority of the blame should go to Hollywood studios/execs. As Viola Davis said in her Emmy speech: “You cannot win an Emmy for roles that are simply not there” – and that holds true for Oscar as well. The ONLY minorities that had a legit shot at being nominated this year were: Idris Elba, Benicio del Toro, and Will Smith (who is a stretch since he entered so late in the game and the film bombed). “Straight Outta Compton” not landing a Best Pic nom tho is sketch, but if the Oscars truly had 10 nominees it’d probably have been in.

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