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    I don’t think Jessica Chastain was second either for Zero Dark Thirty (Riva was) or for The Help (people who loved it voted for Octavia so Berenice was probably second)

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    If Pike was dead last because she was the sole nominee for her film then I guess Moore was too. Oh wait…

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    That’s legit!!!

    I feel like men can win for playing vilains, but actresses have yet to overcome this.

    It’s really a shame that the only ones I can think of are Kathy Bates in Misery and Louise Fletcher in Cuckoo’s Nest (I guess Monique in Precious too). But I guess it’s not really a shame when Pike can be lumped with Close in Fatal Attraction and Bette Davis in What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?.

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    Bates has basically no competition… Roberts wasn’t winning for playing a streetwalker lol.

    Fletcher was not only in a weak year, but her film was maybe the only one they saw among the nominees for that category.

    About Monique, black actresses can never lose the Oscar after they have won the GG in the BSA category.

    But Pike, Close and Davis are the best example of the Academy bias against protagonists nominated women.

    Antagonist nominated women.

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    Chastain was definitely the one they would have gave it. She was nominated everywhere and even won a GG and a CC at some point. How many licks does it take to make you see she came second?

    Lawrence won for obvious reasons. had Chastain won BAFTA, the story would have been the same. Because her role was just not that baity. But she could have won without Lawrence in the competition that year.

    I agree that Chastain would’ve won without Lawrence in the competition but that doesn’t necessarily mean she was 2nd with Lawrence. I can imagine that a lot of people who voted for Lawrence would’ve gone for Chastain with the former out of the picture, and Chastain would’ve ridden a similar narrative to Lawrence’s despite being quite a bit older, but as the competition stood I think Lawrence was getting the bulk of those votes from the more “mainstream” fraction of the Academy, whereas Riva appealed to a different kind of voter. In February 2013 it was easy to observe Chastain losing momentum while Riva gained it.

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    As for 2013, Riva wasn’t winning even with her fresh new BAFTA, they might have thought it would be a wasted Oscar.

    Watts was acclaimed but she got no support ( just like Melissa McCarthy in 2019).

    Wallis, was just not winning.

    Chastain was definitely the one they would have gave it. She was nominated everywhere and even won a GG and a CC at some point. How many licks does it take to make you see she came second?

    Lawrence won for obvious reasons. had Chastain won BAFTA, the story would have been the same. Because her role was just not that baity. But she could have won without Lawrence in the competition that year. Lawrence in 2014 would have lost fair and square. She was the it girl but Blanchett is an Oscar favorite, No match.

    On a personal note, i did not think one second Lawrence was mentally disturbed, she tried too hard, but it was just not natural like Vivien Leigh in ASND for example. Though I love her acceptance speech.

    Passion was and is pretty cool for Chastain in the industry even though she does have a fan base.And like you said the role was not baity enough. I think Chastain would have won SAG but Riva would have won BAFTA and then the Oscar although with Lawrence out of the race Watts may have had an avenue to win as the dynamics would have changed without Lawrence in it but then again Lawrence’s absence could have caused Riva to do better with the critics and get in at Globe and SAG. Lol I guess we’ll never know for sure.

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    I agree that Chastain would’ve won without Lawrence in the competition but that doesn’t necessarily mean she was 2nd with Lawrence. I can imagine that a lot of people who voted for Lawrence would’ve gone for Chastain with the former out of the picture, and Chastain would’ve ridden a similar narrative to Lawrence’s despite being quite a bit older, but as the competition stood I think Lawrence was getting the bulk of those votes from the more “mainstream” fraction of the Academy, whereas Riva appealed to a different kind of voter. In February 2013 it was easy to observe Chastain losing momentum while Riva gained it.

    Completely agree! The dynamics of a race can completely change if you take the winner out!

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    Even knowing that Gone Girl underperformed and Pike was the sole nomination, I still think she was second. I mean, my guess would be that Moore was first by a large margin so it’s probably splitting hairs among the rest of the nominees, but I don’t see a sizeable portion of votes going to any of the other three nominees; two of them had won already and were in non-buzzy films, and the BP-nominated performance was overshadowed by her counterpart. Only one nominee was in a BP-nominated film, so the underperformance argument only goes so far because 4 of the nominees’ films underperformed.

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    I’m only going to go so far back as the year as I was born:

    Best Actress:
    1990—Anjelica Huston
    1991—Geena Davis
    1992—Susan Sarandon
    1993—Emma Thompson
    1994—Winona Ryder
    1995—Meryl Streep
    1996—Brenda Blethyn
    1997—Judi Dench
    1998—Cate Blanchett
    1999—Annette Bening
    2000—Ellen Burstyn
    2001—Sissy Spacek
    2002—Renee Zellweger
    2003—Diane Keaton
    2004—Kate Winslet
    2005—Felicity Huffman
    2006—Judi Dench
    2007—Julie Christie
    2008—Meryl Streep
    2009—Meryl Streep
    2010—Annette Bening
    2011—Viola Davis
    2012—Jessica Chastain
    2013—Sandra Bullock
    2014—Rosamund Pike
    2015—Saoirse Ronan
    2016—Natalie Portman
    2017—Sally Hawkins
    2018—Glenn Close

    Best Supporting Actress:
    1990—Lorraine Bracco
    1991—Kate Nelligan
    1992—Vanessa Redgrave
    1993—Winona Ryder
    1994—Uma Thurman
    1995—Joan Allen
    1996—Lauren Bacall
    1997—Gloria Stuart
    1998—Lynn Redgrave
    1999—Chloe Sevigny
    2000—Kate Hudson
    2001—Helen Mirren
    2002—Julianne Moore
    2003—Holly Hunter
    2004—Virginia Madsen
    2005—Michelle Williams
    2006—Rinko Kikuchi
    2007—Ruby Dee
    2008—Viola Davis
    2009—Anna Kendrick
    2010—Amy Adams
    2011—Jessica Chastain
    2012—Sally Field
    2013—Jennifer Lawrence
    2014—Emma Stone
    2015—Kate Winslet
    2016—Naomie Harris
    2017—Laurie Metcalf
    2018—Rachel Weisz

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    If Pike was dead last because she was the sole nominee for her film then I guess Moore was too. Oh wait…

    Except it’s not a good comparison at all because she was overdue and she was…The winner. What did Rosamund have? She wasn’t the critical favorite, Marion Cotillard took that. She wasn’t in a Best Picture nominee, Felicity Jones was. And she didn’t have a coattail with her ala Witherspoon. Gone Girl was a genre film that the Academy disliked so much so that they snubbed it for what seemed like a lock in Adapted Screenplay. No tech, no writing, no nothing. Fans think because there’s a consensus on who should have won, that that person is the one who was second. She was far from second.

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    Even knowing that Gone Girl underperformed and Pike was the sole nomination, I still think she was second. I mean, my guess would be that Moore was first by a large margin so it’s probably splitting hairs among the rest of the nominees, but I don’t see a sizeable portion of votes going to any of the other three nominees; two of them had won already and were in non-buzzy films, and the BP-nominated performance was overshadowed by her counterpart. Only one nominee was in a BP-nominated film, so the underperformance argument only goes so far because 4 of the nominees’ films underperformed.

    I doubt Felicity Jones got hardly any votes so Pike was definitely above her- I’d say it went Moore, Cotillard, Pike, Witherspoon, and then Jones.

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    Except it’s not a good comparison at all because she was overdue and she was…The winner. What did Rosamund have? She wasn’t the critical favorite, Marion Cotillard took that. She wasn’t in a Best Picture nominee, Felicity Jones was. And she didn’t have a coattail with her ala Witherspoon. Gone Girl was a genre film that the Academy disliked so much so that they snubbed it for what seemed like a lock in Adapted Screenplay. No tech, no writing, no nothing. Fans think because there’s a consensus on who should have won, that that person is the one who was second. She was far from second.

    I don’t think she was fifth- even with the lack of love for the film Pike gave one of the most talked about and memorable performances of the year. Just because Jones was in a Best Picture nominee doesn’t mean she did well with voters. To be honest that was a filler nomination. it may help an actress to be in a Best Picture nominee but it doesn’t mean that contender is automatically at an advantage because of that. Despite my guessed order above it really could have been any combination of vote totals but in my opinion always with Moore in first obviously and Jones in fifth. Witherspoon really didn’t have a lot of buzz so I don’t think she was second unless voters actually liked her more then was apparent. Cotillard’s performance got in on passion alone so that indicates some support there and like I said Pike was giving a pretty iconic performance even with the Academy not loving the film.

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    Best Actress

    2000: Ellen Burstyn (Requiem for a Dream)

    2001: Nicole Kidman (Moulin Rouge!)

    2002: Renee Zellweger (Chicago)

    2003: Diane Keaton (Something’s Gotta Give)

    2004: Kate Winslet (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind)

    2005: Felicity Huffman (Transamerica)

    2006: Meryl Streep (The Devil Wears Prada)

    2007: Julie Christie (Away from Her)

    2008: Meryl Streep (Doubt)

    2009: Meryl Streep (Julie & Julia)

    2010: Annette Bening (The Kids Are All Right)

    2011: Viola Davis (The Help)

    2012: Emmanuelle Riva (Amour)

    2013: Meryl Streep (August: Osage County)

    2014: Marion Cotillard (Two Days, One Night)

    2015: Saoirse Ronan (Brooklyn)

    2016: Isabelle Huppert (Elle)

    2017: Saoirse Ronan (Lady Bird)

    2018: Glenn Close (The Wife)

    Best Supporting Actress

    2000: Kate Hudson (Almost Famous)

    2001: Helen Mirren (Gosford Park)

    2002: Meryl Streep (Adaptation)

    2003: Holly Hunter (Thirteen)

    2004: Virginia Madsen (Sideways)

    2005: Michelle Williams (Brokeback Mountain)

    2006: Cate Blanchett (Notes on a Scandal)

    2007: Cate Blanchett (I’m Not There)

    2008: Viola Davis (Doubt)

    2009: Anna Kendrick (Up in the Air)

    2010: Amy Adams (The Fighter)

    2011: Berenice Bejo (The Artist)

    2012: Sally Field (Lincoln)

    2013: Jennifer Lawrence (American Hustle)

    2014: Emma Stone (Birdman)

    2015: Kate Winslet (Steve Jobs)

    2016: Michelle Williams (Manchester by the Sea)

    2017: Laurie Metcalf (Lady Bird)

    2018: Rachel Weisz (The Favourite)

    I’d have to disagree with several of these especially Streep in August Osage County and Winslet in Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind- AOC bombed with Oscar voters and Winslet had no real buzz. At best she was able to get third place over Annette Bening but even that might be a stretch. I’ve also never understood why people felt that Blanchett had any chance at all for Notes On A Scandal and that includes EW putting her in second in their predictions that year- she had literally just won two years earlier and the film had no Oscar heat. I think the Babel girls and maybe even Abigal Breslin did better then her. She was fourth at best. Holly Hunter had no chance whatsoever in 2003. Both Aghdashloo and Clarkson most certainly did better then her.

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    Cotillard might’ve been a critics fave but her film and her flopped on the precursors. No SAG, GG, and BAFTA nom for only FLF. One could even argue she only got in cuz of her notorious Rust and Bone snub 2 years before and being a previous Amy Adams victim. Her Film didn’t even make the short list for Foreign Language Film thst year, she was losing those best actress precursor noms to Jennifer Aniston + Amy Adams no1curr role in big Eye. Even if u argue that SAG + GG didn’t see it, BAFTA did and they still didn’t nominate her.

    To me it looks like she barely got in, but then u have Felicity who didn’t win a single award through the season and lost all those best British actress to Pike, which would suggest Felicity was prob dead last.

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    Except it’s not a good comparison at all because she was overdue and she was…The winner. What did Rosamund have? She wasn’t the critical favorite, Marion Cotillard took that. She wasn’t in a Best Picture nominee, Felicity Jones was. And she didn’t have a coattail with her ala Witherspoon. Gone Girl was a genre film that the Academy disliked so much so that they snubbed it for what seemed like a lock in Adapted Screenplay. No tech, no writing, no nothing. Fans think because there’s a consensus on who should have won, that that person is the one who was second. She was far from second.

    I would argue against this but Joe, Dennis, and Honey already gave the perfect responses detailing why the rest were weaker.

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