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    RobertPius
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    Mary Kaye Place won 2 of the 3 major critics Best Actress prizes and yet was barely spoken of for Oscar. Lupita had a truck load of citations. Last year you had Ethan Hawke and Toni Collette sweep thru without any resulting Oscar nomination.

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    None of those actors campaign for the Oscars.

    Oscars 2021: I support Denis Villeneuve (Dune), David Fincher (Mank), Willem Dafoe (The Card Counter), and Glenn Close (Hillbilly Elegy).

    Movie-lover overall.

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    Critics groups can bring attention to a potential nominee but the televised precursors have more clout with the voter body at the Academy.

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    I feel like people forget that critics do indeed have influence with the Oscars but they also don’t. For example in 2007, 2008, and 2009 the eventual Best Picture winner swept the critics awards and was crowned at the guilds and then at the Oscars. But in 2010 and 2014, critics faves The Social Network and Boyhood ended up hitting a wall at the guild awards. Lupita was just this year’s Sally Hawkins. It happens.

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    Critics aren’t Oscar voters.

    Critics get to see most/all films released in a given year. Oscar voters get pushed towards certain films with campaigns behind them with screeners or viewings.

    Check out more of my thoughts on Twitter (@AMG_Review) and Instagram (amg_reviews)

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    I’d also like to note that Oscar voters possibly are not privy to a certain class of film that is becoming more routinely acclaimed by film critics – that film requires a veritable amount of art house appeal, a certain indie flourish, lesser known but lauded acting cast, diverse filming crew/cast (women and POC), and needs to be released earlier before Oscar voters start attending screenings so that reviewers can get these films to the 90%+ mark on Rotten Tomatoes/Metacritic.

    The most perfect storm of an actor dominating both the critics circuit and the film industry awards would have to be Casey Affleck for Manchester by the Sea, who accrued upwards of 60 awards in total that season.

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    Because critics are not voters and everything happened like 1 day before voting closed.

    Critics don’t even care about their own awards show since they only predict future Oscar winners. They have nominees and winners you wouldn’t have guessed if you go by their year-long reviews. Why then should Academy voters care about what they say?

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    I feel like people forget that critics have influence with the Oscars but also don’t. For example in 2007, 2008, and 2009 the eventual Best Picture winner swept the critics awards and was crowned at the guilds and then at the Oscars. But in 2010 and 2014, critics faves The Social Network and Boyhood ended up hitting a wall at the guild awards. Lupita was just this years Sally Hawkins. It happens.

    The Sally Hawkins of this year in which movie? Can’t be TSOW which got 13 nominations and won BP and BD whilst US got snubbed entirely.

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    Critic Awards can help certain performers and performance get attention like Charlotte Rampling in 45 years or Marion Cotillard in Two Days One Night. These are DRAMATIC performances by two very high brow actors and critics could make the Academy take a closer look.

    With Lupita for example, She had the campaign and all the critics in the world. The Academy knew and they clearly snubbed her. They’re just biased towards Genre. It happened to Toni Collete last year, Charlize Theron in Mad Max, and This year to Lupita.

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    I’d also like to note that Oscar voters possibly are not privy to a certain class of film that is becoming more routinely acclaimed by film critics – that film requires a veritable amount of art house appeal, a certain indie flourish, lesser known but lauded acting cast, diverse filming crew/cast (women and POC), and needs to be released earlier before Oscar voters start attending screenings so that reviewers can get these films to the 90%+ mark on Rotten Tomatoes/Metacritic.

    I think you are on to something with this bit. It might be very easy to say that the critics groups (or even the larger, aggregate critical class) are increasingly divergent of the tastes of the Academy, but I am not sure how true that would really be. It is not really true anymore that the critics are any better at choosing films of a higher calibre or better quality – there are too many critics in too many groups operating within an exponentially more monopolized industry for that to be the case – they just often rally around a different type of film these days.

    Instead, with the sheer volume of voices and the domination of certain studios and aesthetic choices, most years have the critics nominating and mentioning mostly the same names and films that the industry will, save for a few select beacons: your Ethan Hawkes and the like.

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    They don’t vote.
    On top of that as a collective they’re not exactly as likeable as Santa and his elves.

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    “Critics don’t matter to these award bodies.I love telling them this”.

    Anne Thompson,IndieWire

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    Btw the Critics Choice awards should change their name because they very rarely actually pick the critics’ choices.

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    “Critics don’t matter to these award bodies.I love telling them this”.

    Anne Thompson,IndieWire

    Way to go Anne. “Bitchy” can be sublime.

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    The Sally Hawkins of this year in which movie? Can’t be TSOW which got 13 nominations and won BP and BD whilst US got snubbed entirely.

    For Happy Go Lucky in 2008.

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