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Why is The Irishman #1 for film editing and Parasite #5?

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    I have a genuine question on what film editing is? Isn’t it the art of piecing together scenes of a film, choosing what to cut and what to leave in, to effectively convey the information that the filmmaker want the audience to see but balance that with the pacing of the movie?

    I’ve watched both movies. Parasite is pretty much universally praised for its pacing, and not having scenes that are wasteful and boring.  I feel like there are at least 3 sequences in Parasite that seems like a masterclass in editing.

    1. The peach montage, enough said.

    2. The sequence where they Had to clean the house and cook while the rich family comes back

    3. The flood sequence. The montage where they walked down through several layers of the city, and then where the flood comes and it cuts back and forth, juxtaposing between what the thee families are experiencing during the flood.

    Contrast with the Irishman, where there are many complaints in any discussion thread about it that it’s long an boring. Obviously there are those people who do not agree and love the movie, but the fact is that these complaint come up over and over again in every thread.

    Isn’t that a failure in editing? To leave shots in that are too long and self indulgent?  To fail to cut scenes that does not keep  the audience’s interest? Isn’t the audience thinking a film is too long a failure in editing?

    If Ford vs Ferrari was the favorite for this category, I totally understand. But but why is the Irishman the #1? This is not bashing the Irishman, I genuinely want to know what make it’s editing so great.

     

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    The Irishman’s editing isn’t all that showy per say, but I think people are very impressed with how the film went by in a way that felt much shorter than it’s actual very long length. And while I said it’s not that showy, it still has several sequences that go by in fast, smart ways, and that’s because of the editing.

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    Best Editing is a default for Scorsese films. 3 of them have won (RAGING BULL, THE AVIATOR, THE DEPARTED) and another 3 more were nominated. Plus Thelma Schoonmaker is revered by the branch, for good reason.

    So a nomination is solid though not guaranteed (WOLF OF WALL STREET had a Pic/Director nod but not an Editing one, for example). But I don’t think it has a prayer in the world of winning because the biggest single complaint about the film (whether fair or unfair) is that its too long. And that’s what most voters will remember far more than the merits of an individual scene.

    And the rankings, as they currently stand, I’m guessing are as much the likelihood of being nominated as they are the odds of actually winning.

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    I think it is first in terms of nomination, not win. Schoonmaker is a legend.

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    Most people love Thelma Schoonmaker and they don’t even realize it’s her work. Marty’s movies are beloved in part because Schoonmaker makes them fun and snappy to watch. It’s very emblematic of his style. In my opinion, the worst editing snub of the decade was that she didn’t get nominated for The Wolf of Wall Street.

    She didn’t get nominated for Silence either so I wonder if she could get snubbed again given The Irishman’s comparisons to that film. Her last nomination was for Hugo earlier in the decade.

    Top 3 Films of the Year: Parasite, The Farewell, OUATIH

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    I was going to praise the Irishman’s editing, even though I didn’t like the film itself. But then I just remembered it had so many unnecessary frames such as focusing on flowers, etc.

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    Because Parasite isn’t winning everything.

    Kidding aside, The Irishman has a very complex structure and long runtime, yet Schoonmaker managed to edit it into one cohesive film. The fast pacing created an impression that the film is shorter than what it really is.

    Anyway, Ford v Ferrari is my personal pick in this category. The racing scenes are insane.

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    You are right that Parasite deserves to be locked for a nomination, but the editing branch always disappoints, with last year being an all-timer—they snubbed Mission: Impossible, Roma and A Star is Born for BlacKkKlansmanBohemian Rhapsody and Green Book.

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    To whom?

    I can’t remember specific names, but I saw several people posting online giving high praise to the editing.

    You are right that Parasite deserves to be locked for a nomination, but the editing branch always disappoints, with last year being an all-timer—they snubbed Mission: Impossible, Roma and A Star is Born for BlacKkKlansman, Bohemian Rhapsody and Green Book.

    Might be the worst Oscar win I’ve ever seen. Even the editor acknowledged that it’s crazy. You gotta wonder if some people offered sympathy votes for him being forced to splice together the different director’s shoots. Or maybe the concert scenes clinched it. I don’t know, but it didn’t even deserve to come close to a nomination.

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    Most people love Thelma Schoonmaker and they don’t even realize it’s her work. Marty’s movies are beloved in part because Schoonmaker makes them fun and snappy to watch. It’s very emblematic of his style. In my opinion, the worst editing snub of the decade was that she didn’t get nominated for The Wolf of Wall Street.

    She didn’t get nominated for Silence either so I wonder if she could get snubbed again given The Irishman’s comparisons to that film. Her last nomination was for Hugo earlier in the decade.

    “most people” arent voting on the nominations. The Editors are. Silence was a bore and snubbed across the board so kinda weird to compare it to a film that is top 5 in BP and BD. Wolf was also heavily criticized for it’s editing along with being a late comer. While Irishman’s editing has been praised.

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    Darling, because The Irishman is actuallt a good movie.

    As a famous singer said, "ain't nobody gonna Thatcher, Thatcher, Thatcher!"

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    But the chief complaint of the film is that its long and boring. So obviously the audience isn’t feeling that the movie moves at a good pace.

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    But the chief complaint of the film is that its long and boring. So obviously the audience isn’t feeling that the movie moves at a good pace.

    That complaint comes from a very minority audience. The film isn’t getting all these nominations across the board from every circuit if the majority of voters thought it was long and boring.

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    That complaint comes from a very minority audience. The film isn’t getting all these nominations across the board from every circuit if the majority of voters thought it was long and boring.

    Mabye it’s more respected than loved by the majority in the industry  because apparently many HFPA members complained they couldn’t get into it. I think it’s going to overperform in terms of nominations but only get one Oscar or nothing at all in the end. This article is interesting if you want to understand why the movie hasn’t been doing so well lately and what some HFPA voters said about it.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/01/oscar-nominations-preview

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