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    Poor Sam Mendes. After winning all the precursors and being a gentleman the whole season, he is being Russell Crowe’ed. The precursors set him up to be embarrassed. But it is a good run for him though.

    Yeah when he won the Globe he was actually surprised (like everyone) because he was like 4th in the predictions after Tarantino, Bong and Scorsese. Then he started to win all the precursors only to not giving him the big award in the end.

    But hey at least he’s already an Oscar winner.

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    The director’s branch is small, eclectic, and foreign. But that only explains nominations, I know. When the full voter base had a say in deciding winners, passion won the day! DGA is large, broad, and includes members of all sorts (including commercials and television). Not saying that Academy members don’t have all kinds of jobs in all mediums on their respective resumes, but you get the idea. DGA needed a reality check and some humbling this year anyways. YASSSS BONG JOON HO!!!

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    Because they awarded the Best Director out of the bunch?

    For Your Consideration Emmys 2020:
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    I understand that Parasite had ‘more passion’ but where was said passion on other award shows?

    The same place where it was with moonlight. 1917 was a big spectacle so of course it won DGA. And PGA is probably more straight white male than Academy is right now. That SAG win foretold all. They literally got a standing O for introducing their clips. That NEVER happens.

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    I think this might go down as the biggest upset of all time. Never in the history of this category has a film won every precursor and still lost. I predicted Parasite’s other 3 wins, but I never could have seen this one coming.

    You’re exaggerating just a bit. It’s not something that never happened, but it’s something that happened probably only once. In 2000, Ang Lee won DGA, the Globe and BAFTA before losing the Oscar.

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    I understand that Parasite had ‘more passion’ but where was said passion on other award shows?

    Preferential ballot. It’s not about the movie with most #1 votes, but the movie with most #1, #2 or #3 votes until one movie reaches more than 50% of “quality votes”. It’s complex, but PARASITE is in everyone’s TOP 3 movies of the year and 1917 doesn’t

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    December Films get a boost when they first come out. In past years this has effected Oscar nominations. The Revenant, La La Land, The Shape of Water and Roma basically got every nomination they could.

    The condensed season meant more awards fell in this period. After Globes, PGA came very quickly, DGA is very correlated to this. Only Oscar voters had a bit of a gap to reflect on what they wanted to reward without still being in the ‘just seen it’ bubble for 1917.

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    You’re exaggerating just a bit. It’s not something that never happened, but it’s something that happened probably only once. In 2000, Ang Lee won DGA, the Globe and BAFTA before losing the Oscar.

    But he didn’t win CC. That was Steven Soderbergh, who also won the Oscar. Sam Mendes literally won everything and still lost. And yes he tied with Bong at CC, but that’s only cause they weren’t sure if Mendes was the frontrunner yet. This was more akin to Russell Crowe’s full precursor sweep and then Oscar loss, which has never happened before in Director, until today.

    On a side note, I think CC is actually the most accurate precursor in this category now. They predicted both of the two biggest upsets here (Sodderbergh and Joon-Ho). If anyone wins all of the precursors but loses/ties CC again I’m voting for the spoiler.

    Academy-Award winners:

    Parasite: Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Original Screenplay

    Joker: Best Actor - Joaquin Phoenix

    Jojo Rabbit: Best Adapted Screenplay

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    The same place where it was with moonlight. 1917 was a big spectacle so of course it won DGA. And PGA is probably more straight white male than Academy is right now. That SAG win foretold all. They literally got a standing O for introducing their clips. That NEVER happens.

     

    The moment I saw that intro at the SAGs I knew Parasite was winning. That was sort of when the momentum changed.

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    DGA played it too safe.

    1917 probably felt more familiar and traditional to them.

    “you look like your picture, thank god.”

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    When’s the last time both DGA AND PGA got Best Picture and Best Director wrong in a single year? The last example I can think of is Braveheart (much to Tom O’Neil’s chagrin; he hates Braveheart).

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    I think it would be a better idea to extend the category to be like best picture.

    Terrible idea, I hope they don’t. The priority should be giving female directors more opportunities to make films/stories about women, not some token new category

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    Honestly, I think we’re asking the wrong question, ’cause when you look at the demographics of the DGA and look at the Academy memberships and voting strategy, I think the question should be, why have they not broke with each other until now? The DGA has a few hundred people and a lot of them aren’t in the A.M.P.A.S. Director’s Branch. This could explain those weird anomalies where the DGA winner doesn’t even get an Oscar nomination certain years. But, also, with the Oscars, stretched to the full membership after nominations, it’s kinda amazing that there weren’t more upsets over the years. How did Inarritu win that second year, when “The Revenant” underperformed so much and “Spotlight” won BP and “Mad Max: Fury Road” over-performed everywhere? Or how did Damien Chazzelle become the youngest winner ever, despite the Academy preferring “Moonlight” and “La La Land” badly underperforming the rest of the night?

    I’m not saying this particular upset is the start of a new trend where DGA becomes for less accurate of a precursor; I suspect this is still an anomaly but it is weird that more splits from DGA haven’t occurred until now.

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    I’m only looking at this from a statistically level, so bear in mind:

    I feel that 1917 could’ve won BP w/o a Film Editing nomination (like Birdman did), but it didn’t even qualify for SAG in either individual, ensemble, or stunts (which even Birdman had support from SAG). Roma had the same issue too last year: no Film Editing nomination & no support from SAG. I think from now on: if you’re having a tough time calling BP, look for the film who has been recognized by SAG, has a Screenplay nomination @ Oscars, a DGA nomination, and (most especially) look for that Film Editing nomination from the Oscars.

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    I’m only looking at this from a statistically level, so bear in mind: I feel that 1917 could’ve won BP w/o a Film Editing nomination (like Birdman did), but it didn’t even qualify for SAG in either individual, ensemble, or stunts (which even Birdman had support from SAG). Roma had the same issue too last year: no Film Editing nomination & no support from SAG. I think from now on: if you’re having a tough time calling BP, look for the film who has been recognized by SAG, has a Screenplay nomination @ Oscars, a DGA nomination, and (most especially) look for that Film Editing nomination from the Oscars.

    This was the reason I never predicted 1917 for Picture. The stats were so heavily against it. Everyone here said I was relying too much on the stats, but my logic paid off.

    Academy-Award winners:

    Parasite: Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Original Screenplay

    Joker: Best Actor - Joaquin Phoenix

    Jojo Rabbit: Best Adapted Screenplay

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