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  • Emil Petrov
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    Can you explain to me how unbelievable the direction in 1917 is? Cinematography was clearly the best feature in the movie. But I found the direction to be “one note”.

    I have been a working as cinematographer and director for over 12 years. I belive in my PROFESSIONAL opinion.

    For Sam Mendes to direct the film to a technical marvel and still have this high of an emotional impact is a marvel. I agree on all aspects for Bongs directing. It was also amazing the way he handled characters and genres, but for me the technical achievement is more impressive. Personal opinion.

    Again, I believe Bong deserved the Screenplay and Picture Awards, but Mendes deserved to be rewarded for what he made of with 1917.

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    happysad
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    I have been a working as cinematographer and director for over 12 years. I belive in my PROFESSIONAL opinion. For Sam Mendes to direct the film to a technical marvel and still have this high of an emotional impact is a marvel. I agree on all aspects for Bongs directing. It was also amazing the way he handled characters and genres, but for me the technical achievement is more impressive. Personal opinion. Again, I believe Bong deserved the Screenplay and Picture Awards, but Mendes deserved to be rewarded for what he made of with 1917.

    Personally, I felt 1917 was a hollow spectacle that is over-reliant on the one-shot technique, which it draws too much attention, which while it can be immersive, it can also be distracting, at certain times. I found myself consciously aware that the actors are being tracked by a camera most of the time, adding to the feeling how artificial, pre-planned and staged everything is. I do applaud Deakin’s camera choreography here but in terms of the direction, no matter how impressive and complex the technical achievement is, it cannot rescue itself from how shallow and inauthentic it inadvertently presents itself.

    I’m happy that Bong won an Academy Award for Best Director, he truly deserves it for directing a unique tonally marvelous picture, and there’s nothing you could say in your PROFESSIONAL opinion, that can convince me otherwise.

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    Emil Petrov
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    Personally, I felt 1917 was a hollow spectacle that is over-reliant on the one-shot technique, which it draws too much attention, which while it can be immersive, it can also be distracting, at certain times. I found myself consciously aware that the actors are being tracked by a camera most of the time, adding to the feeling how artificial, pre-planned and staged everything is. I do applaud Deakin’s camera choreography here but in terms of the direction, no matter how impressive and complex the technical achievement is, it cannot rescue itself from how shallow and inauthentic it inadvertently presents itself.

    I’m happy that Bong won an Academy Award for Best Director, he truly deserves it for directing a unique tonally marvelous picture, and there’s nothing you could say in your PROFESSIONAL opinion, that can convince me otherwise.

    This is the beauty of movies! They convey different opinions in people, and I respect yours 100%. My love for 1917 is probably a bit biased as am a cinematographer by profession and this is a huge cinematographycal achievement.

    Let’s not spam the thread no more. Oscar season is over…bring on the Emmy season 😀

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    But don’t you think the cinematography of Parasite is arguably better than the cinematography of 1917? I was certainly more frequently in awe of how Parasite was shot. Although that is a bit of an unfair comparison, since 1917 has less variety to showcase due to the nature of its cinematography.

    The sections that stood out to me, in terms of cinematography, were the nighttime sequence, the part in the woods when he approaches the soldiers and then the camera moves around the group, the shot when he runs towards the camera in the battle, and the ending with the tree.

    Other than that, I can’t say the cinematography was superior to Parasite. That movie was a masterclass the whole way through.

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    ArtIsntEasy
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    But don’t you think the cinematography of Parasite is arguably better than the cinematography of 1917? I was certainly more frequently in awe of how Parasite was shot. Although that is a bit of an unfair comparison, since 1917 has less variety to showcase due to the nature of its cinematography.

    The sections that stood out to me, in terms of cinematography, were the nighttime sequence, the part in the woods when he approaches the soldiers and then the camera moves around the group, the shot when he runs towards the camera in the battle, and the ending with the tree.

    Other than that, I can’t say the cinematography was superior to Parasite. That movie was a masterclass the whole way through.

    I do feel the cinematography for PARASITE should’ve been in consideration too. Thanks to Bong’s desire of storyboarding his films meticulously, you could just tell how some of his frames were like works of art…even ones that were quite simplistic in their approach.

    The shot of Cho Yeo-Jeong coming up the stairs with the stunned expression is such a fantastic shot and yet, it doesn’t seem like it should be considered anything special. However, the movie makes the most of its minimalist setting when it comes to its cinematography.

    “The art of making art is putting it together...”

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    I don’t have much to contribute except that while I am fine with 1917’s win for cinematography I do think Parasite should have at least been nominated. I also would’ve given it a nom for Score.

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    JustGuy89
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    Im assuming it’s because at DGA only directors vote. At Oscars the entire academy votes? And mower non directors loved Parasite more?

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    Gabriel Guarin
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    Do you think the Directors branch might be automatically biased against actor-directed movies starring the directors because they see them as ego trips, hence why Ben Affleck and Bradley Cooper got snubbed, but Greta Gerwig, Jordan Peele, and Mel Gibson, none of whom starred in their own movies, were able to get nominations?

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    wilfredpickles
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    Do you think the Directors branch might be automatically biased against actor-directed movies starring the directors because they see them as ego trips, hence why Ben Affleck and Bradley Cooper got snubbed, but Greta Gerwig, Jordan Peele, and Mel Gibson, none of whom starred in their own movies, were able to get nominations?

    Not sure of the snub reasoning, but I’ll take any chance I can get to say that Affleck and Cooper should’ve been nominated in Director. That was some classic elitist bs

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    Gabriel Guarin
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    Does anyone else think that Ben Affleck would’ve won Director if he was nominated? As far as I’ve heard in my life, the consensus seems like a resounding yes.

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    Do you think the Directors branch might be automatically biased against actor-directed movies starring the directors because they see them as ego trips, hence why Ben Affleck and Bradley Cooper got snubbed, but Greta Gerwig, Jordan Peele, and Mel Gibson, none of whom starred in their own movies, were able to get nominations?

    I think it’s just that Affleck and Cooper are not very good directors compared to the others.

    I never understood the reasoning for Cooper being nominated. He made a good movie, but he hasn’t really shown anything as far as directorial talent goes. I feel like people were rooting for him just because he is a well known actor.

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    phenix714
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    I do feel the cinematography for PARASITE should’ve been in consideration too. Thanks to Bong’s desire of storyboarding his films meticulously, you could just tell how some of his frames were like works of art…even ones that were quite simplistic in their approach.

    Exactly, this was a real storyboarding achievement, in the purest sense of the term. Which is a big reason why Parasite stands so strong in both cinematography and editing.

    Now, if we want to talk about pure cinematography, the Oscar probably should have gone to Portrait of a Lady on Fire. But they were never going to nominate that.

    Out of the actual field of nominees, I’m fine with 1917 winning.

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    Eddy Q
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    Do you think the Directors branch might be automatically biased against actor-directed movies starring the directors because they see them as ego trips, hence why Ben Affleck and Bradley Cooper got snubbed, but Greta Gerwig, Jordan Peele, and Mel Gibson, none of whom starred in their own movies, were able to get nominations?

    Mel Gibson actually starred in Braveheart and won Best Director (I’m assuming you were referring to his nom for Hacksaw Ridge). Same with Kevin Costner and Dances with Wolves. It’s only more recently that the directors’ branch have demonstrated a possible bias against directors starring in their own movies, although those earlier films were sweeping historical epics that would’ve had an easier time being nominated anyway.

    Edit: I just accidentally liked my own comment lol

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    John Berchmans
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    Does anyone else think that Ben Affleck would’ve won Director if he was nominated? As far as I’ve heard in my life, the consensus seems like a resounding yes.

    With a full precursor sweep, my guess would be yes. I think the nomination was the hurdle for Afleck.

    For Your Consideration

    Best Picture: Parasite
    Best Director: Bong-Joon Ho,
    Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix
    Best Actress: Scarlett Johansson
    Supporting Actor: Al Pacino
    Supporting Actress: Florence Pugh
    Adapted Screenplay: Jojo Rabbit
    Original Screenplay: Parasite

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    nkb325
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    With a full precursor sweep, my guess would be yes. I think the nomination was the hurdle for Afleck.

    Yea some people like to make the argument that it was sympathy for his director snub that pushed the film so far, but those people seem to forget that both the critics choice and the golden globes closed their voting way before the oscar nominations came out (they were especially early that year) and he and the movie won both of those. So while it definitely could’ve turned into one of those critics awards vs industry awards splits we know he would’ve had the momentum anyway and don’t have any reason to think it wouldn’t have played out just like it did

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