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    braydenfitzsimmons
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    letting Hamilton compete for Oscars would cheapen the Oscars. Now Beyonce and her film that’s coming out July 10th would also have to eligible.

    Black Is King wouldn’t since we don’t know have it was ever intended to have a theatrical release (Lemonade & Homecoming competed at the Emmys I imagine BIK would be the same).

    As a director, Beyoncé’s track record is pretty outstanding, Lemonade will be remembered as one of the defining cultural-shifting films of the 2010s.

    If BIK keeps up the quality I wouldn’t mind if Disney tried an Oscar run.

    Emmys FYC: Alan Tudyk in “Resident Alien”, Billie Piper in “I Hate Suzie”, Ego Nwodim in “Saturday Night Live”, Kaley Cuoco in “Harley Quinn”

    “Dickinson”, “P-Valley”, “Pose” & “Superstore” in all categories

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    Black Is King wouldn’t since we don’t know have it was ever intended to have a theatrical release (Lemonade & Homecoming competed at the Emmys I imagine BIK would be the same). As a director, Beyoncé’s track record is pretty outstanding, Lemonade will be remembered as one of the defining cultural-shifting films of the 2010s. If BIK keeps up the quality I wouldn’t mind if Disney tried an Oscar run.

    Disney’s FYC page.

    Best Picture – Beyonce
    Best Director – Beyonce
    Best Adapted Screenplay – Beyonce
    Best Editing – Beyonce
    Best Actress – Beyonce

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    Question: remove the audience and are people happier with it being an Oscar contender then?

    Check out more of my thoughts on Twitter (@AMG_Review) and Instagram (amg_reviews)

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    I don’t think it’s eligible. There is a minor but very important detail: the VOD rule applies only to films that were intended for premiere during the lockdown and the ongoing ban on screenings. Hamilton was not intended to be released in 2020 at all. It was intended to be released in 2021. So I guess it doesn’t fit the criteria.

    On the other hand, I’ve seen it and as much as I enjoyed it, it’s not really cinematic. The OP mentions Bergman’s Magic Flute, but that one is masterfully shot. Hamilton’s very much a filmed stage performance (that has no cinematic aspirations whatsoever). Cinematically it’s dull.

    Bottom line: Oscars aren’t the end goal. It’s a splendid show. It’s great fun, it’s touching. It has terrific music and Leslie as well as my fave Renée Elise Goldsberry are brilliant.

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    Just saw the Hamilton recording (it was great btw) and if Leslie Odom Jr. gets nominated it should be in lead. His performance is just as central to the plot as Miranda’s. Putting him in Supporting would be a fraud.

    John's Best of 2020

    Best Picture: Soul
    Best Direction: The Midnight Sky
    Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman
    Best Actress: Viola Davis
    Best Supporting Actor: Delroy Lindo
    Best Supporting Actress: Amanda Seyfried
    Best Screenplay: Soul

    John's Best of 2021

    Best Picture: Nomadland
    Best Direction: Nomadland
    Best Actor: Lakeith Stanfield
    Best Actress: Frances McDormand
    Best Supporting Actor: Daniel Kaluuya
    Best Supporting Actress: Youn Yuh-Jung
    Best Screenplay: Judas and the Black Messiah

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    I don’t think it’s eligible. There is a minor but very important detail: the VOD rule applies only to films that were intended for premiere during the lockdown and the ongoing ban on screenings. Hamilton was not intended to be released in 2020 at all. It was intended to be released in 2021. So I guess it doesn’t fit the criteria. On the other hand, I’ve seen it and as much as I enjoyed it, it’s not really cinematic. The OP mentions Bergman’s Magic Flute, but that one is masterfully shot. Hamilton’s very much a filmed stage performance (that has no cinematic aspirations whatsoever). Cinematically it’s dull. Bottom line: Oscars aren’t the end goal. It’s a splendid show. It’s great fun, it’s touching. It has terrific music and Leslie as well as my fave Renée Elise Goldsberry are brilliant.

    Hamilton may not have originally been played to be eligible for this year’s Oscars, but it was going to be released as eligible for next years Oscars, so I don’t think that’ll get them ruled ineligible.

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    Hamilton may not have originally been played to be eligible for this year’s Oscars, but it was going to be released as eligible for next years Oscars, so I don’t think that’ll get them ruled ineligible.

    Yes, but the actual rule change the Academy did was that the VOD rule would apply ONLY to films that had premieres planned for 2020 (and theaters were closed at the time of the premiere). This is not the case here.

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    Yes, but the actual rule change the Academy did was that the VOD rule would apply ONLY to films that had premieres planned for 2020 (and theaters were closed at the time of the premiere). This is not the case here.

    That’s not gonna be enough to rule it ineligible though. They’ll definitely make an exception. They obviously didn’t consider the idea of a project intended for the next year coming out now, but that’s not gonna cause them to completely rule out its award chances.

    I can put it simply this way: in a time where race is a huge hot button issue in the US, the Academy isn’t going to reject a feature that’s been widely celebrated for its diversity over just one small rule.

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    That’s not gonna be enough to rule it ineligible though. They’ll definitely make an exception. They obviously didn’t consider the idea of a project intended for the next year coming out now, but that’s not gonna cause them to completely rule out its award chances.

    I can put it simply this way: in a time where race is a huge hot button issue in the US, the Academy isn’t going to reject a feature that’s been widely celebrated for its diversity over just one small rule.

    This is not some minor rule. This is a huge rule, as we all know the industry’s sentiment toward Netflix and VOD. And in this rule applies this year only due to the crisis. The Academy already said so many times that the moment theaters open, the rule would be removed and would not apply. So why would they actually make an exception for a film that was intended for a release in 2021 but was released on VOD more than a year earlier instead?

    And even if it’s somehow eligible, I doubt it would make much impact. Its blocking is basic, its cinematic qualities are none. It’s not meant to be a movie. It’s just a taped performance. I can’t imagine that writers or directors watch it and decide to vote for it. It’s wonderful as what it is but what it is is not cinema.

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    This is not some minor rule. This is a huge rule, as we all know the industry’s sentiment toward Netflix and VOD. And in this rule applies this year only due to the crisis. The Academy already said so many times that the moment theaters open, the rule would be removed and would not apply. So why would they actually make an exception for a film that was intended for a release in 2021 but was released on VOD more than a year earlier instead? And even if it’s somehow eligible, I doubt it would make much impact. Its blocking is basic, its cinematic qualities are none. It’s not meant to be a movie. It’s just a taped performance. I can’t imagine that writers or directors watch it and decide to vote for it. It’s wonderful as what it is but what it is is not cinema.

    It’s definitely not some major rule since they just created it in the case of the pandemic. And if theatres open in time, then they’ll obviously just put it out there.

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    It’s definitely not some major rule since they just created it in the case of the pandemic. And if theatres open in time, then they’ll obviously just put it out there.

    You’re just reading everything the way you want to. It wouldn’t matter if they put it in a theatre once theaters open. The rule actually concerns initial release. This is why Netflix films premiere in a movie theater before their Netflix release. Because otherwise, they would not be eligible.

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    You’re just reading everything the way you want to. It wouldn’t matter if they put it in a theatre once theaters open. The rule actually concerns initial release. This is why Netflix films premiere in a movie theater before their Netflix release. Because otherwise, they would not be eligible.

    I can easily say the same thing about you. I’m perfectly fine with it not making the Oscars even though I loved it, as it is a first and foremost a theatre piece.

    These are very different and strange times and the rules can definitely be changed and broken because of that. They’re not going to disqualify a film that would’ve been able to go for the same exact awards next year just because it came out earlier. That would be a totally asinine decision, one that will surely be met with public backlash, something the Academy will definitely try to avoid.

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    I’ve read the rules and it does not say this.

    It does not specify that the theatrical release had to have been planned to happen during the lockdown. It just mentions that it had to have intended to have a theatrical release at some point.

    Yes, but the Academy specifies that these are special rules because of the impact on COVID-19 on current releases. HAMILTON was intended to be shown in October 2021. It was not intended to be released in 2020 and if you think about it, it’s in NO way impacted by the crisis at this point; it was filmed in 2016, was probably edited in 2017 (not that it needed that much editing) and was waiting for its 2021 so that its release wouldn’t hurt theatre BO.

    It would be cynical to push it to Disney and then insist that it could use a rule that has to apply to films that really were hurt by the crisis.

    It could have had its premiere in October 2021 and then been eligible. I don’t think that it was moved back to 2020 to create some momentum and to use the chaotic season. I would never believe Lin-Manuel would do that. I think it was a very human choice and it’s great to have it that early and on VOD. But this has to disqualify it from Oscar consideration. And by the way, if this is eligible, I guess the NTLive productions must have been all eligible in previous years.

    But even if it’s eligible, what categories would it be present in?

    Acting: These are very theatrical performances and even Leslie Odom, Jr. wouldn’t make much sense if compared to what Anthony Hopkins would probably accomplish in The Father.

    Directing: It would never sail with directors. It’s fairly mediocre in its cinematic qualities. It was never intended to be a movie event. It is a way to present the musical to a wider audience. Its cinematic language is extremely limited and doesn’t differ in any way from NTLive performances.

    Writing: This is not a screenplay adaptation in any traditional way, as it’s NOT a play that has been adapted for the very different medium of film.

    Cinematography & Editing: Very basic and pedestrian. These are true weaknesses.

    Score: Not eligible.

    Song: Not eligible as there are NO new songs.

    Costume Design: As per the guidelines, it is the intention of this rule to recognize the designing of costumes for their special use in motion pictures.
    I understand this as: These costumes MUST be created for the film. They aren’t in this particular case, which would disqualify them.

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    They have a right to push it if they want. You clearly don’t want it at the Oscars, but filmed stage performances have competed and won at the Emmys, and in a much more limited capacity at the Oscars.

    If they want to push it, they have the right to.

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