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    This is not some minor rule. This is a huge rule, as we all know the industry’s sentiment toward Netflix and VOD. And in this rule applies this year only due to the crisis. The Academy already said so many times that the moment theaters open, the rule would be removed and would not apply. So why would they actually make an exception for a film that was intended for a release in 2021 but was released on VOD more than a year earlier instead? And even if it’s somehow eligible, I doubt it would make much impact. Its blocking is basic, its cinematic qualities are none. It’s not meant to be a movie. It’s just a taped performance. I can’t imagine that writers or directors watch it and decide to vote for it. It’s wonderful as what it is but what it is is not cinema.

    It’s definitely not some major rule since they just created it in the case of the pandemic. And if theatres open in time, then they’ll obviously just put it out there.

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    It’s definitely not some major rule since they just created it in the case of the pandemic. And if theatres open in time, then they’ll obviously just put it out there.

    You’re just reading everything the way you want to. It wouldn’t matter if they put it in a theatre once theaters open. The rule actually concerns initial release. This is why Netflix films premiere in a movie theater before their Netflix release. Because otherwise, they would not be eligible.

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    You’re just reading everything the way you want to. It wouldn’t matter if they put it in a theatre once theaters open. The rule actually concerns initial release. This is why Netflix films premiere in a movie theater before their Netflix release. Because otherwise, they would not be eligible.

    I can easily say the same thing about you. I’m perfectly fine with it not making the Oscars even though I loved it, as it is a first and foremost a theatre piece.

    These are very different and strange times and the rules can definitely be changed and broken because of that. They’re not going to disqualify a film that would’ve been able to go for the same exact awards next year just because it came out earlier. That would be a totally asinine decision, one that will surely be met with public backlash, something the Academy will definitely try to avoid.

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    I don’t think it’s eligible. There is a minor but very important detail: the VOD rule applies only to films that were intended for premiere during the lockdown and the ongoing ban on screenings. Hamilton was not intended to be released in 2020 at all. It was intended to be released in 2021.

    I’ve read the rules and it does not say this.

    It does not specify that the theatrical release had to have been planned to happen during the lockdown.  It just mentions that it had to have intended to have a theatrical release at some point.

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    I’ve read the rules and it does not say this.

    It does not specify that the theatrical release had to have been planned to happen during the lockdown. It just mentions that it had to have intended to have a theatrical release at some point.

    Yes, but the Academy specifies that these are special rules because of the impact on COVID-19 on current releases. HAMILTON was intended to be shown in October 2021. It was not intended to be released in 2020 and if you think about it, it’s in NO way impacted by the crisis at this point; it was filmed in 2016, was probably edited in 2017 (not that it needed that much editing) and was waiting for its 2021 so that its release wouldn’t hurt theatre BO.

    It would be cynical to push it to Disney and then insist that it could use a rule that has to apply to films that really were hurt by the crisis.

    It could have had its premiere in October 2021 and then been eligible. I don’t think that it was moved back to 2020 to create some momentum and to use the chaotic season. I would never believe Lin-Manuel would do that. I think it was a very human choice and it’s great to have it that early and on VOD. But this has to disqualify it from Oscar consideration. And by the way, if this is eligible, I guess the NTLive productions must have been all eligible in previous years.

    But even if it’s eligible, what categories would it be present in?

    Acting: These are very theatrical performances and even Leslie Odom, Jr. wouldn’t make much sense if compared to what Anthony Hopkins would probably accomplish in The Father.

    Directing: It would never sail with directors. It’s fairly mediocre in its cinematic qualities. It was never intended to be a movie event. It is a way to present the musical to a wider audience. Its cinematic language is extremely limited and doesn’t differ in any way from NTLive performances.

    Writing: This is not a screenplay adaptation in any traditional way, as it’s NOT a play that has been adapted for the very different medium of film.

    Cinematography & Editing: Very basic and pedestrian. These are true weaknesses.

    Score: Not eligible.

    Song: Not eligible as there are NO new songs.

    Costume Design: As per the guidelines, it is the intention of this rule to recognize the designing of costumes for their special use in motion pictures.
    I understand this as: These costumes MUST be created for the film. They aren’t in this particular case, which would disqualify them.

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    They have a right to push it if they want. You clearly don’t want it at the Oscars, but filmed stage performances have competed and won at the Emmys, and in a much more limited capacity at the Oscars.

    If they want to push it, they have the right to.

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    They have a right to push it if they want. You clearly don’t want it at the Oscars, but filmed stage performances have competed and won at the Emmys, and in a much more limited capacity at the Oscars.

    If they want to push it, they have the right to.

    The Emmys are very different from the Oscars. They’re also far more desperate.

    Of course, they have the right to push it. I’m certain that it would be disqualified and entered into the Emmys next year.

    But one thing: You can’t know what I want. Your deductions are based on nothing. So please avoid telling me what I CLEARLY want.Thanks.

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    Hope Hamilton wins Best Picture.  The screams of cinema queens from around the world as it happens would please my ears.

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    The Emmys are very different from the Oscars. They’re also far more desperate. Of course, they have the right to push it. I’m certain that it would be disqualified and entered into the Emmys next year. But one thing: You can’t know what I want. Your deductions are based on nothing. So please avoid telling me what I CLEARLY want.Thanks.

    Don’t get so upset, you said the same thing to me.

    You’re grasping at straws with your attempts to say it’ll be disqualified. This is a brand new, and non developed rule that won’t get in the film’s way. It’s been released in this cycle, and I’m sure they’ll put in theaters as long as they open before the ceremony.

    Obviously this conversation is just going to keep running around in circles, so let’s just drop it.

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    Don’t get so upset, you said the same thing to me.

    You’re grasping at straws with your attempts to say it’ll be disqualified. This is a brand new, and non developed rule that won’t get in the film’s way. It’s been released in this cycle, and I’m sure they’ll put in theaters as long as they open before the ceremony.

    Obviously this conversation is just going to keep running around in circles, so let’s just drop it.

    Nope, I expressed an opinion. You told me what I CLEARLY wanted. You know for sure. Yeah, let’s drop it.

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    After reading this whole discussion I really want to see Hamilton winning Best Picture. Can’t wait to see all of the purist cinephile desperation that will come with it.

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    Hamilton‘s premiere on Disney+ has led to the app itself receiving 72% downloads in the U.S. alone this past weekend.
    https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/hamilton-disney-plus-premiere-app-downloads-72-percent-1234698795/

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    More than one. They’re going ape-sh_t over it now.

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    Watched this with my family.  This show got kind of overexposed a while back and I got pretty sick of it after being one of it’s original fans, however, watching this recording reminded me that it truly is a remarkable piece and deserves every bit of it’s hype. The writing is just so good and it has such strong energy.  It’s spectacular.

    Also, while it is a stage show, it is a filmed stage show, therefore rendering it a film. The minute it enters the medium of film, it becomes one.  If it’s eligible, it should be a contender in several categories.  The quality is definitely there for it to grace the Oscar stage.

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    Hamilton may not be eligible for any nominations.

    https://www.vulture.com/2020/07/the-hamilton-movie-wont-be-eligible-at-next-years-oscars.html

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