July 24, 2018 at 6:14 pm #1202593081
I wanted to see how some felt on this subject. I’ve seen many say they would prefer a lead nod over a supporting win and vice versa.
The scenario is that the actor/actress gives a great performance that is borderline between lead and supporting. If they submit for lead, they could possible lose, or if they submit for supporting, they will likely sweep.(This seems to happen alot.)
What is your choice?July 24, 2018 at 7:28 pm #1202593133
Definitely win best supporting. An oscar is an oscar and even the most successful actors and actrecess like Meryl Streep Jack Nicholson Jessica Lange and Maggie Smith has an academy award for a supporting roleJuly 24, 2018 at 7:40 pm #1202593140
Nothing special about losing in the lead category. Marisa Tomei only won supporting actress yet her win remains a topic of conversation.July 24, 2018 at 7:56 pm #1202593149
I think Viola Davis may have won lead for “Fences” but realized she was practically guaranteed the Oscar in supporting. Wise choice! Talia Shire (nominated Lead Actress in “Rocky”) should have gone supporting in her year. She would have almost certainly won. This also may have happened with Valerie Perrine (nominated in lead for “Lenny”).July 24, 2018 at 9:07 pm #1202593191
Shelley Winters used to discuss this topic a lot. She had already won a supporting award for The Diary of Anne Frank so she insisted she be campaigned as lead for Lolita then she didn’t even get nominated. She went back to supporting and won there again for A Patch of Blue. She used to say she learned that people remember you won but they forget for what category and what movie.July 24, 2018 at 9:07 pm #1202593192
I think Viola Davis may have won lead for “Fences” but realized she was practically guaranteed the Oscar in supporting. Wise choice! Talia Shire (nominated Lead Actress in “Rocky”) should have gone supporting in her year. She would have almost certainly won. This also may have happened with Valerie Perrine (nominated in lead for “Lenny”).
Network’s three acting wins feel set in stone regardless of the rival nominees in the category.July 24, 2018 at 9:26 pm #1202593206
There is a reason Viola davis still wants that lead Oscar. It is just more prestigious in the industry i guess.
But if u already have an Oscar the same industry doesn’t cares if its supporting or in lead so its a weird industry and mostly down to personal preference.
End of the day an Oscar win is still an Oscar win.July 24, 2018 at 9:37 pm #1202593214
Michael Caine admits he sort of saw his win for Hannah and Her Sisters as a step down. He was starring in films at the time and then got a supporting award he didn’t really want. He infamously didn’t attend the ceremony to accept because he was filming some lame Jaws sequel but I think he now says he didn’t really want to go and didn’t try to get the filmmakers to let him go.
When he won again he made all those jokes to Tom Cruise how he shouldn’t feel bad. Winning supporting just drives your price down etc.
Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantJuly 25, 2018 at 8:21 am #1202593380
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I remember hearing that Al Pacino decided to boycott the 1973 ceremony because he wasn’t nominated in Lead. He felt that he should’ve been nominated there because he had more screentime in The Godfather than Marlon Brando, who was nominated for (and won) Best Actor. Pacino was nominated in Supporting, which he hated.July 25, 2018 at 10:02 am #1202593446
Another memorable instance was the campaigning of Peter Ustinov down in Best Supporting Actor for Topkapi. He’s unimpeachably Lead in the picture but Best Actor was a zoo (he probably wouldn’t have even been nominated), while Best Supporting Actor was a ghost town.
THE OSCAR 100 (#30-26): Al Pacino, Edith Evans, Judy Garland, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard BurtonJuly 25, 2018 at 10:09 am #1202593448
Win in supporting. It’s not easy to get the buzz, momentum and acclaim required to win an Oscar and even more difficult in case of a sweeper. It depends on luck as well, on how things align for you.July 25, 2018 at 1:40 pm #1202593563
Winning is almost always better than losing.August 22, 2018 at 10:02 am #1202614526
Mentalities change – a win is considered more important today as the supporting categories have been a cozy place for co-leads for a long time. Therefore, actors like Fay Bainter or Mercedes McCambridge could not win today as they would be considered even below supporting.
In the older days, people would probably have said rather a lead nomination than a supporting win. It was all about box office draws, above-the-title players and nobody cared too much for the supporting actors anyway. That change once the studio bosses discovered that they could squeeze in co-leads into supporting and suddenly prestigious and above-the-title players collected supporting oscars and nobody cared anymore whether it was lead or supporting (except for some stars from the older days like Rosalind Russell who still have the original distinction in mind when she refused a supporting submission).
Re: Viola Davis. She made a huge mistake. She desperately wanted that oscar (10 years ago we called that oscar begging, a term that is no longer used) and went supporting when she would have easily won lead. For her to win a lead oscar now is certainly not easy. Well, she really missed an opportunity that does not come along often.
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