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    Jessica Lange was nominated and lost Best Actress in 1982 for her performance in Frances, considered by many one of the best of all time. She lost, of course, to another performance considered the best of all time: Meryl Streep in Sophie’s Choice.

    That same year Lange was nominated for her supporting turn in the Best Picture nominee Tootsie. She won.

    I, here, ask two questions:

    1) If Jessica Lange wasn’t nominated for Tootsie, would you she have prevailed in the Leading category? Or at least made the path harder for Le Streep (whom at the time already had an Oscar)?

    2) If Jessica Lange was nominated every other year in the history of the Oscars, which years she wouldn’t have prevailed? Or would she have prevailed every year?

    Bonus: Which performance do you like the most?

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    Two of the most marvelous leading turns of all time. I don’t think there was any beating Streep, Tootsie aside.

    By question 2, do you mean if Frances were any year other than 1982? If that’s the case, I do think it’s a performance that bests the vast majority of winners and nominees I’ve seen since and I do think she’d win.

    I think they’re both pretty pitch perfect performances but I think Streep’s in SC is the Ultimate. I’m fully convinced a Polish woman was brought onto a movie set.

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    I think they’re both pretty pitch perfect performances but I think Streep’s in SC is the Ultimate. I’m fully convinced a Polish woman did that performance.

    Yes, that’s what I meant.

    To be more especifical, do you think she would have beaten these ones?

    Elizabeth Taylor in Who’s Afraid of Virgina Wolf?
    Charlize Theron in Monster
    Marion Cotillard in La Vie En Rose
    Kathy Bates in Misery
    Vivien Leigh in Gone with the Wind

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    Yes, that’s what I meant. To be more especifical, do you think she would have beaten these ones? Elizabeth Taylor in Who’s Afraid of Virgina Wolf? Charlize Theron in Monster Marion Cotillard in La Vie En Rose Kathy Bates in Misery Vivien Leigh in Gone with the Wind

    Ooh a toughy… I would think she’d beat Bates and maybe Theron. I suppose she could beat Cotillard too because of foreign language bias.

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    I think out of that list, the two vulnerable ones would be Bates and Cotillard. Bates won in a competitive year where Huston, Roberts, and Woodward all had wins/buzz. Cotillard split honors with Christie along the way. Neither of them were an assured win. Leigh and Taylor of course were way before all this, but as iconic as their roles were, I couldn’t see them losing. Theron, once her buzz took hold, wasn’t losing either.

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    Yes, that’s what I meant.

    To be more especifical, do you think she would have beaten these ones?

    Elizabeth Taylor in Who’s Afraid of Virgina Wolf?
    Charlize Theron in Monster
    Marion Cotillard in La Vie En Rose
    Kathy Bates in Misery
    Vivien Leigh in Gone with the Wind

    Edit: It sucks that she was nominated against Streep’s untouchable performance in Sophie’s Choice. She could have won in any other year during the 80s. Just not that year.

    1. Lange vs. Leigh (GWTW)
    – Vivian wins here. Scarlett O’Hara is the most iconic female character in cinema history in the most successful film in history.
    2. Lange vs. Taylor
    -Taylor would have won here as well. The biggest star in the world gives the performance of her career.
    3. Lange vs. Bates
    -Lange would have likely won here and she would have deserved it.
    4. Lange vs. Theron
    -Theron would have won. I can’t say Theron gave the better performance but her transformation definitely helped.
    5. Lange vs. Cotillard
    -Cotillard has the best win in this categories history. Lange would have won the same awards Julie Christie did, but I do think Cotillard would have pulled off with the win.

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    Strictly based on my personal vote among the nominees, she would’ve been worthy to win for every year of the 80s except for the year she was actually nominated and I think I still would’ve voted for Spacek in 1980.

    I do think it would be interesting to match up contenders and see who would win among them. Some years are so dull that I wish certain performances could’ve come out in them instead.

    Random example: I wish Bassett or Channing could’ve had their films come out in 1994. That would’ve been an easy win for both.

    “The art of making art is putting it together...”

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    Here’s one:

    Carol Kane in Hester Street
    Marion Cotillard in Two Days, One Night
    Sissy Spacek in Carrie
    Brenda Blethyn in Secrets & Lies
    Fernanda Montenegro in Central Station

    Rank them all.

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    Here’s one:

    Carol Kane in Hester Street
    Marion Cotillard in Two Days, One Night
    Sissy Spacek in Carrie
    Brenda Blethyn in Secrets & Lies
    Fernanda Montenegro in Central Station

    Rank them all.

    Are we ranking them against Lange in Frances or ranking them period?

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    Are we ranking them against Lange in Frances or ranking them period?

    Ranking them period. I just picked five random BA nominees from different years and put them together.

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    Gotcha! I have not seen Carol Kane.

    1. Fernanda Montenegro (Central Station)
    2. Sissy Spacek (Carrie)
    3. Marion Cotillard (Two Days, One Night)
    4. Brenda Blethyn (Secrets & Lies)

    All great nominees!

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    I think she would’ve been easily win in 1984. Seriously, who remembers or really like Sally Field in Places in The Heart?

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    I think she would’ve been easily win in 1984. Seriously, who remembers or really like Sally Field in Places in The Heart?

    At least we all remembered her Oscar speech lol
    If Lange did not win for Tootsie, she would probably win over Field. What is the point of giving Field her second before giving Lange her first. I guess Lange hated her Tootsie win for quite some time.

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    Field did have that “American Sweetheart” thing going. She would have gotten some points.

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    Nobody but nobody was beating Meryl that year. Jessica any other year leading up to it would’ve still had an uphill battle.

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