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    I’m thinking of stuff like Amadeus, Terms of Endearment, The Turning Point, Network. (any other near recent double nominees in lead?)

    How do you think they’d have made out?

    I know William Holden had hoped Peter Finch would go supporting. Finch still would have won but I’m not sure if Holden would have. Stallone could have taken it or De Niro (but he had just won and Taxi Driver may have been to violent for them back then.)

    Amadeus is odd since The Killing Fields actually did split their nominees and put Ngor in supporting even though he is as much a lead as Waterston. Ngor probably would have still beat Hulce.

    Terms of Endearment is hard. I’d bet there would be a push to put Debra Winger in supporting (see August:Osage County) and she might have won.

    Turning Point I don’t really know too well. Is one part smaller?

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    Another one I just thought of………I bet back then they would have wanted Joan Crawford to go supporting for Baby Jane. I doubt her ego would have taken it (and it would have ruined a really good episode of Feud.)

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    MacLaine and Bancroft are pretty clear co leads if ever there have been in Turning Point. Even if they had gone that route I doubt anyone was beating Redgrave for Julia since she was due after having a few losses and the film itself was well regarded.

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    I can’t fathom any of Bancroft, Crawford, MacLaine or Winger allowing themselves to be pushed Supporting. Ditto Baxter for All About Eve.

    Perhaps Clift could’ve swallowed a Supporting push for From Here to Eternity? The mere thought of Kate Hepburn ever being Supporting sounds odds but perhaps a push there for Suddenly, Last Summer could’ve worked.

    Oh and, nuts as it sounds, Stallone was indeed probably runner-up to Finch. I don’t think Holden (my personal preference) was really seen in contention at all for the win.

    THE OSCAR 100 (#30-26): Al Pacino, Edith Evans, Judy Garland, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton

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    Agreed regarding Stallone. There seems to have been a lot of goodwill for Rocky and let’s face it he wasn’t gonna beat Paddy for Network in screenplay.

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    I could see them pushing F. Murray Abraham supporting for Amadeus. Strategically, it would have been a great move – two potential oscar winners.

    Debra Winger would have been pushed supporting with today’s mentality on this category (though I must admit, 10 years ago there was a stronger urge to push as many people as supporting as possible where discussions started as to whether Leo DiCaprio was actually supporting in Titanic). Winger would have won and that is the point today: get the gold, no matter which category.

    Joan Crawford was never considered to go supporting for Baby Jane and she would have never allowed that. Rosalind Russell was supposed to go supporting for Picnic in 1955 but she refused. Back then, supporting categories were not considered appropriate places for movie stars (again, different mentality). Anne Baxter, too, was too big of a star to go supporting. However, today they would have pushed Bette Davis supporting, not Anne Baxter (claiming it’s Eve’s story and bla bla).

    Luise Rainer in The Great Ziegfeld would have been certainly campaigned as supporting (however, with today’s style of acting, rather ‘worst’ than ‘best supporting actress’).

    For the reverse situation: Viola Davis in Fences would have been camaigned as lead in the 80s. It is actually too bad that they played safe and put her supporting to guarantee a win – she would have won in either category. Well, she really wanted it, no matter what.

     

    It is actually interesting how the lead/supporting discussion has evolved. When the category was established, it was for secondary actors, not movie stars, not above-the-titles players. That was the only factor.

    Later, people started to look at screen time and peticiously calculated how much screen time a certain performance was granted. This is, of course, a very technical way of looking at an issue.

    Then, it was all about importance/point of view/whose story is it. It become incredibly philosphical, people overthought every aspect (up to the point where basically everybody was supporting and there were no leads in general).

    Now, people have seen to relax a little bit and accept that there may be more than one lead from one gender in a movie. 10 years ago people would have fiercly claimed that everybody on Big Little Lies was supporting because you know … there are no leads!

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