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  • Matt2019
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    Old Town Road will finally end their record breaking Hot 100 reign within 2-3 weeks.

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    Ariana and Lizzo aren’t winning AOTY. Billie could, depending on what the competition looks like.

    It’s safe to say Billie and Lizzo are both getting in (either would be a massive snub), and we all know Grammy voters are more likely to pick the pop/alternative singer-songwriter over the R&B/pop/hip-hop artist. So if it comes down to the two of them, we all know who would have the edge. Especially since Billie is more popular.

    Either would be deserving (although I have a softer spot for When We All Fall Asleep…, which is a stunning record), but let’s be realistic.

    Again, the Grammys does not care about chart success at all, but music needs to have a best quality.

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    That’s the only thing I’m not buying because I’m not sure why the Grammys would suddenly have an issue with black women specifically after giving the top award to Lauryn Hill over Sheryl Crow, Madonna, and Shania Twain, which was by no means an uncompetitive roster. And because while no black woman may have won after Lauryn, several black artists have: OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock.

    Not to mention Childish Gambino, Alicia Keys, Chance the Rapper, Esperanza Spalding, John Legend, Seal, Luther Vandross, and Beyoncé won in other general field categories in the same period of time we’re talking about.

    The Grammys have an obvious blind spot with hip-hop and contemporary R&B, but I’m not a fan of baseless accusations of racism where they don’t apply. If Lizzo loses to Billie Eilish in any category this year, it will be because Billie is closer to the type of artist the Grammys typically fall for (which is not a synonym for “white” – see Alicia Keys), and because Billie is more successful than her.

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    That’s the only thing I’m not buying because I’m not sure why the Grammys would suddenly have an issue with black women specifically after giving the top award to Lauryn Hill over Sheryl Crow, Madonna, and Shania Twain, which was by no means an uncompetitive roster. And because while no black woman may have won after Lauryn, several black artists have: OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock.

    Not to mention Childish Gambino, Alicia Keys, Chance the Rapper, Esperanza Spalding, John Legend, Seal, Luther Vandross, and Beyoncé won in other general field categories in the same period of time we’re talking about.

    The Grammys have an obvious blind spot with hip-hop and contemporary R&B, but I’m not a fan of baseless accusations of racism where they don’t apply. If Lizzo loses to Billie Eilish in any category this year, it will be because Billie is closer to the type of artist the Grammys typically fall for (which is not a synonym for “white” – see Alicia Keys), and because Billie is more successful than her.

    I only expect Billie Eilish to win Best new artist and ROTY. But, she wont win AOTY especially Ariana Grande because Taylor Swift is coming back to avenge from last year’s shocking AOTY snub with Lover(which it will likely be 1989/speak now vibes album).

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    The Grammys have an obvious blind spot with hip-hop and contemporary R&B,

    So, this shouldn’t be a big issue for Lizzo since you originally said her music is pop. The racism arguments are not baseless. Your arguments are just not consistent.

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    I only expect Billie Eilish to win Best new artist and ROTY. But, she wont win AOTY especially Ariana Grande because Taylor Swift is coming back to avenge from last year’s shocking AOTY snub with Lover(which it will likely be 1989/speak now vibes album).

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    So, this shouldn’t be a big issue for Lizzo since you originally said her music is pop. The racism arguments are not baseless. Your arguments are just not consistent.

    I’ve addressed this argument of yours before and you have conveniently chosen to ignore it. I have remained consistent.

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    This is going to be my last comment on the race issue for the night.

    The Grammys do have a tendency to go for safe, boring, and yes, often white choices over more exciting, adventurous, and relevant albums, including those by artists of color. But do I think that is inherently racist? No.

    Take 2016, for example. I, like many here, found the choice of 1989 over To Pimp a Butterfly to be incredibly safe and uninspired. But can I see why it ended up that way, without reducing it to “THEY HATE BLACK PEOPLE”? Yes, absolutely.

    Number one, 1989 was a commercial giant. Most people listened to it or at the very least, heard a handful of its singles on the radio ad nauseum. Kendrick’s album produced no legitimate chart hits. Familiarity always helps. Should Grammy voters be listening to every nominated album? Yes. Are they? Probably not all of them.

    Secondly, 1989 is just a more accessible album. It’s light, breezy, melodic, catchy, and has a short runtime. To Pimp a Butterfly largely lacks in catchy pop hooks, doesn’t follow mainstream hip-hop trends, it’s long, aggressive, heavily conceptual, and requires a deep analysis of its lyrics – and often repeat listens – in order to be fully appreciated. If a Grammy voter had just become familiar with the album for the first time upon seeing the nominations list, it may not be an instant like. Or, it may just not be their type of thing at all. Different strokes for different folks.

    Weird choices are always going to happen when you have a contest that essentially compares apples and oranges. Billie Eilish and Lizzo, for example? They couldn’t be any more different.

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    Expected snubs in 62nd Grammys:

    Lil Nas X – AOTY, ROTY(I doubt that Old Town Road might be passed over because it’s similar to Macarena)
    Ariana Grande – AOTY, ROTY, SOTY(a shocking scenario like last year)
    Lizzo – Best New artist( she released more than 1 album, therefore she’s ineligible)
    Ed sheeran – His latest album sucks
    Halsey – ROTY and SOTY
    Taylor Swift – Best Pop Duo for Me!(I doubt that she will likely bounce back with her 3rd single(likely Cruel Summer or The Man) by August 23 and submit it for ROTY and SOTY. Also, Lover album might win Best Pop Vocal album if Billie Eilish ends up in best alternative album). Also, expect a shocking surprise AOTY nom for Lover on November 20.

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    Expected snubs in 62nd Grammys: Lil Nas X – AOTY, ROTY(I doubt that Old Town Road might be passed over because it’s similar to Macarena) Ariana Grande – AOTY, ROTY, SOTY(a shocking scenario like last year) Lizzo – Best New artist( she released more than 1 album, therefore she’s ineligible) Ed sheeran – His latest album sucks Halsey – ROTY and SOTY Taylor Swift – Best Pop Duo for Me!(I doubt that she will likely bounce back with her 3rd single(likely Cruel Summer or The Man) by August 23 and submit it for ROTY and SOTY. Also, Lover album might win Best Pop Vocal album if Billie Eilish ends up in best alternative album). Also, expect a shocking surprise AOTY nom for Lover on November 20.

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    That’s the only thing I’m not buying because I’m not sure why the Grammys would suddenly have an issue with black women specifically after giving the top award to Lauryn Hill over Sheryl Crow, Madonna, and Shania Twain, which was by no means an uncompetitive roster. And because while no black woman may have won after Lauryn, several black artists have: OutKast, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock. Not to mention Childish Gambino, Alicia Keys, Chance the Rapper, Esperanza Spalding, John Legend, Seal, Luther Vandross, and Beyoncé won in other general field categories in the same period of time we’re talking about. The Grammys have an obvious blind spot with hip-hop and contemporary R&B, but I’m not a fan of baseless accusations of racism where they don’t apply. If Lizzo loses to Billie Eilish in any category this year, it will be because Billie is closer to the type of artist the Grammys typically fall for (which is not a synonym for “white” – see Alicia Keys), and because Billie is more successful than her.

    This is going to be my last comment on the race issue for the night. The Grammys do have a tendency to go for safe, boring, and yes, often white choices over more exciting, adventurous, and relevant albums, including those by artists of color. But do I think that is inherently racist? No. Take 2016, for example. I, like many here, found the choice of 1989 over To Pimp a Butterfly to be incredibly safe and uninspired. But can I see why it ended up that way, without reducing it to “THEY HATE BLACK PEOPLE”? Yes, absolutely. Number one, 1989 was a commercial giant. Most people listened to it or at the very least, heard a handful of its singles on the radio ad nauseum. Kendrick’s album produced no legitimate chart hits. Familiarity always helps. Should Grammy voters be listening to every nominated album? Yes. Are they? Probably not all of them. Secondly, 1989 is just a more accessible album. It’s light, breezy, melodic, catchy, and has a short runtime. To Pimp a Butterfly largely lacks in catchy pop hooks, doesn’t follow mainstream hip-hop trends, it’s long, aggressive, heavily conceptual, and requires a deep analysis of its lyrics – and often repeat listens – in order to be fully appreciated. If a Grammy voter had just become familiar with the album for the first time upon seeing the nominations list, it may not be an instant like. Or, it may just not be their type of thing at all. Different strokes for different folks. Weird choices are always going to happen when you have a contest that essentially compares apples and oranges. Billie Eilish and Lizzo, for example? They couldn’t be any more different.

    To establish on the point earlier, I definitely think the whole 1989/To Pimp A Butterfly was based on race. Honey the modern day American, yet alone the modern day Black men/women listen to a Ray Charles or Herbie Handcock. Imo, before I listened to “albums”, you are basically snubbing legends in basically 20-30 years from not just black men and women, but the American public. And it doesn’t make sense for 2011, 2015, and 2018 if you want to talk about commercialized records when Beyoncé had the biggest album in 2014, yet she’s lost to Indie darling. It doesn’t make sense when these Hip hop icons go mainstream like Kendrick Lamar’s DAMN. and Drake’s Scorpion and Views have commercialized radio friendly hit albums like 1989. Like 25. Like 24k Magic. And yet they still don’t win. And that’s such an issult towards Black nominees. And that’s fine. In 20-30 years they will regret it, when these Black icons like Kanye West, Kendrick Lamar, Beyoncé, and Frank Ocean will be idolized as one of the greats of or decade and these mediocre pop icons will be in the ditch. That’s what happened with Radiohead, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The White Stripes, Prince. So it don’t matter now.

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    And what are you trying to say? Should black urban artists make “safe music”  to be accepted by white voters? Rap has been a pioneering, changing genre within the last 5 years. Rather this should be grabbing force when all these genres are grabbing from rap, such as pop, electronic, country, and r&b. That should be a grabbing point for voters.

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    Expected snubs in 62nd Grammys: Lil Nas X – AOTY, ROTY(I doubt that Old Town Road might be passed over because it’s similar to Macarena) Ariana Grande – AOTY, ROTY, SOTY(a shocking scenario like last year) Lizzo – Best New artist( she released more than 1 album, therefore she’s ineligible) Ed sheeran – His latest album sucks Halsey – ROTY and SOTY Taylor Swift – Best Pop Duo for Me!(I doubt that she will likely bounce back with her 3rd single(likely Cruel Summer or The Man) by August 23 and submit it for ROTY and SOTY. Also, Lover album might win Best Pop Vocal album if Billie Eilish ends up in best alternative album). Also, expect a shocking surprise AOTY nom for Lover on November 20.

    Lover will probably be lowest common denominator from Taylor’s catalog. It’s really sad, when this is probably Taylor’s lowest selling and worst written, while Ariana had already won against Taylor last year. And no one had Ariana in the general field, especially after those weird GF nominations. Again not having Lil Nas X in ROTY is the worst snub probably of the night, if Billie still was in BNA. That’s the biggest song of the decade, yet alone the year, and snubbing it doesn’t seem even close. I even think I could even get into SOTY, since Despacito was in that catagory 2 years ago.

    Barnacles Bro

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    I only expect Billie Eilish to win Best new artist and ROTY. But, she wont win AOTY especially Ariana Grande because Taylor Swift is coming back to avenge from last year’s shocking AOTY snub with Lover(which it will likely be 1989/speak now vibes album).

    It’s only a snub when people actually wanted her in the catagory lol

    Barnacles Bro

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    What is ludicrous about Ariana winning a general field award?

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