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    Could Without Me not upset in Pop Solo? I feel like neither Ariana or Billie are as safe as It is being made to seem, especially considering were not sure what Gaga will submit and Without Me is a strong contender is it not?

    I don’t think so. In my opinion, Ariana and Halsey aren’t serious contenders to win, although the former is obviously a lock for a nomination and the latter should be in as well.

    “Without Me” was arguably a marginally bigger hit than either of Ariana’s eligible songs, but it’s older, and Ariana is the bigger, flashier name and has a much better track record. So if it comes down to the two of them, I think it’s Ariana.

    But over them, I think they will go with either Billie Eilish, who feels very much like the “next big thing” and could easily appeal to voters across genres and demographics, or Lady Gaga, a respected name-brand artist with a song from a popular and well-liked movie about the business.

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    Brayfers
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    Thats a little disappointing, tbh. I really like Without Me and I felt like it is has a good message, it connected well with the general audience, it’s a good recording. I honestly would prefer it to be this year’s winner, depending on what Gaga gets nominated with.

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    I see Pop Solo as a race between Ariana, Billie, and Gaga. Joanne’s out of nowhere win this year showed me that this category is all about hype. Gaga was riding high on her Record and Song nominations, plus her two pop nominations, and that ultimately gave her the buzz to beat Ariana, Camila, and Post. Gaga still has A Star is Born buzz, and Ariana and Billie are the two biggest artists of the year. I see all three as highly competitive for the win.

    Halsey seems very likely for a nomination, but I don’t see her as very competitive for the win considering she isn’t actually that big, she just has a very big hit. After her I’d go with either Katy, Shawn, or Taylor, they’re all big names with decent Grammy history and hits. I’m currently going with Shawn since he has the biggest hit of the bunch.

    P!nk’s single flopped, and she doesn’t get in unless she has at least a minor hit. Kelly sometimes makes it in with flops, but she’s competing with a forgotten song from a forgotten kids movie. As for Capaldi I think he’s generally been overhyped by these forums, and I don’t see his song as big enough for a nomination. Even if you buy into the Ed Sheeran comparison (I don’t) he missed Pop Solo for The A Team, so that doesn’t bode well for Capaldi.

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    I actually despise their music, but it pains me to see y’all doing the most to find an excuse as to why they won’t win when it’s not that complicated.

    Because there’s nothing about it that makes it a lock.

    What makes you think Sunflower can’t win for example? It was far more successful commercially and the song isn’t rap or anything, it’s as pop as it gets.

    Unlike what people say here, I Don’t Care could also win, but its downside it has bieber on it.

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    Because there’s nothing about it that makes it a lock. What makes you think Sunflower can’t win for example? It was far more successful commercially and the song isn’t rap or anything, it’s as pop as it gets. Unlike what people say here, I Don’t Care could also win, but its downside it has bieber on it.

    Grammys will never take Post Malone seriously. Do you really imagine old white conservative men voting for him to win anything? I don’t. His best shot would be winning something in the Rap field, but after the Macklemore controversy, no white man is going to win a Rap Grammy unless he’s called Eminem OR has lots of critical acclaim, which he totally lacks. I Don’t Care isn’t winning either, it’s too juvenile.

    The winner will be Sucker, or Dancing with a stranger or a random nominee with a safe, bland and boring ballad. “Sucker” is not losing to I Don’t Care, ME! or Señorita.

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    1. How exactly is “I Don’t Care” juvenile? It’s not an amazing or groundbreaking song, but it’s just a hyper-mainstream love song. You’ve said multiple times that it’s “childish” but I’m not following the logic.

    2. Have you forgotten that they recently gave a Grammy in the pop field to a song from a children’s movie?

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    Grammys will never take Post Malone seriously. Do you really imagine old white conservative men voting for him to win anything? I don’t. His best shot would be winning something in the Rap field, but after the Macklemore controversy, no white man is going to win a Rap Grammy unless he’s called Eminem OR has lots of critical acclaim, which he totally lacks. I Don’t Care isn’t winning either, it’s too juvenile. The winner will be Sucker, or Dancing with a stranger or a random nominee with a safe, bland and boring ballad. “Sucker” is not losing to I Don’t Care, ME! or Señorita.

    lmao are you talking about “I’ll Never Love Again” or “I Don’t Know What Love Is”?

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    As much as I don’t want it to happen, I wouldn’t rule out I Don’t Care win.

    I’m hoping for a Sam Smith upset. Honestly, even Sunflower would be a better winner than I Don’t Care or Sucker. It’s at least an original song.

    If Gaga submits “I’ll Never Love Again”, I surely hope it gets nominated and wins, because that song is definitely grammy-worthy. But I’m not sure it’ll even be submitted/accepted there especially now that there is a screening committee.

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    But I’m not sure it’ll even be submitted/accepted there especially now that there is a screening committee.

    There has always been screening. That determines genre and eligibility. It is not the same thing as a nominations review committee. It will still be a straight vote.

    The only thing changing is that pop and rock are getting dedicated screening committees.

    Previously, pop and rock entries were screened by the large “Core Committee,” which meets each fall for a two-day session. With the addition of pop and rock committees, the Core Committee will become a smaller, one-day event. It will remain focused on determining eligibility for best new artist (traditionally the hardest category to define) and on resolving conflicts from other screening committees, such as trying to find the best home for borderline entries that fall between genres.

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    Yes I meant that the screening committee could rule that it’s not really a “duet”.

    It technically is a duet but I don’t know.

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    “I Don’t Care” would have to get the nomination first to even have a chance. Even then, I would place “Sucker” ahead of it, and this is coming from someone who thinks “Sucker” is being EXTREMELY overestimated and equivalent to “Havana”.

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    Yes I meant that the screening committee could rule that it’s not really a “duet”.

    It technically is a duet but I don’t know.

    It’s really not that different to 30-second rap features.

    At worst, it would still be eligible in Pop Duo/Group Performance but only credited to Gaga, i.e. “Lady Gaga (& Bradley Cooper)” similarly to Big Hawk on “Sicko Mode”.

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    It’s really not that different to 30-second rap features. At worst, it would still be eligible in Pop Duo/Group Performance but only credited to Gaga, i.e. “Lady Gaga (& Bradley Cooper)” similarly to Big Hawk on “Sicko Mode”.

    “Say It Right” by Nelly Furtado was nominated in Pop Female and it had officially a “ft. Timbaland”. I think if they somehow ignore Bradley, it will be nominated in Pop Solo.

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    1. How exactly is “I Don’t Care” juvenile? It’s not an amazing or groundbreaking song, but it’s just a hyper-mainstream love song. You’ve said multiple times that it’s “childish” but I’m not following the logic. 2. Have you forgotten that they recently gave a Grammy in the pop field to a song from a children’s movie?

    1. Hyper-mainstream songs are mostly juvenile. They appeal to younger audiences. Songs like that, with a heavy “teenage” flavour, struggle to win. Katy Perry’s songs, Blank Space, Bad Blood, Call Me Maybe, Shake It Off, All About That Bass, Fancy, Genie in a Bottle, Baby One More Time, You belong with me are all examples of that. Do you think it’s a coincidence or that they only lost just because the competition was better?

    2. Happy was THE biggest hit of the year and one of the biggest in like, 10 years, something I Don’t Care is far from being. And it wouldn’t have won anything if they didn’t love the artist behind it. The same applies to Shape Of You. Considering that IDC is not huge and also has a “ft. Justin Bieber”, I don’t think it’s competitive for a win, unless they somehow want to compensate Ed for his past snubs(Divide on the GF and Perfect on the Pop Field).

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    It’s really not that different to 30-second rap features.

    At worst, it would still be eligible in Pop Duo/Group Performance but only credited to Gaga, i.e. “Lady Gaga (& Bradley Cooper)” similarly to Big Hawk on “Sicko Mode”.

    No. A rap feature actually involves an artist doing *something*. It’s like if Ariana Grande submitted In My Head to Pop Duo and listed it as “In My Head feat. that dude that talks in the intro”. It’s category fraud, because it’s a clip from the movie. I know you’re a Gaga fan but even M can agree it’ll be fraud.

    That said, pop voters seem to be whipped for Gaga so they’ll let it slide. I still think she should send the Extended Version to Pop Solo. It would be a fair submission, and she could still send one of the multiple duets she has with Bradley to Pop Duo. They’ll get in on name recognition alone.

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