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    epiphany
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    The weeknd bias in the forum is real. You all act like his album was panned or something, if you don’t like it that’s your opinion but stop acting like the GP doesn’t love it, it’s got acclaim whether you like it or not, i myself thought folklore was boring but you don’t see me discrediting it’s acclaim, y’all doing way too much. If it wins AOTY it’s because he deserve it. PERIOD

    It’s not bias to begin with, I don’t see people saying After Hours a critically panned record. The thing is people acting like album is on par with Lemonade or To Pimp A Butterfly. If both albums didn’t even win AOTY, I just don’t see After Hours winning without the help of BLM. Period

    Currently digging :

    * Joji - Nectar
    * Sufjan Steven - The Ascension
    * Marsicans - Ursa Major
    * Holly Humberstone - Falling Asleep At The Wheel
    * Rich Brian - 1999

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    I really hope “cardigan” can win SOTY. That’s about my favorite Taylor Swift track. And this is coming from someone who hates her guts as a person, but not her music. Her music, especially folklore, measures up.

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    The thing is people acting like album is on par with Lemonade or To Pimp A Butterfly. If both albums didn’t even win AOTY, I just don’t see After Hours winning without the help of BLM. Period

    This is so transparent. You’re basically saying that the only way an album by a black artist could win is by help of BLM, not on merit. And since Butterfly and Lemonade, two very political albums, couldn’t do it, even with massive acclaim, then After Hours certainly couldn’t do it. Even though there’s just as much of an argument to make that maybe it being less political could actually help him.

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    You can’t claim you want the Recording Academy to award people based on overall merit regardless of skin color when you won’t even acknowledge the fact that black artists are at a disproportionate disadvantage compared to non-black artists in the first place and imply the only reason they’d win is because they kicked up enough of a fuss about their lives being important in this political climate.

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    You can’t claim you want the Recording Academy to award people based on overall merit regardless of skin color when you won’t even acknowledge the fact that black artists are at a disproportionate disadvantage compared to non-black artists in the first place and imply the only reason they’d win is because they kicked up enough of a fuss about their lives being important in this political climate.

    Black artists at a “disproportionate disadvantage” at the Grammys? What the hell? Look, if you’re talking about doing “safe” music, that is a CHOICE. People like H.E.R. exist after all. Heck, Stevie Wonder is one of the three artists to have won AOTY thrice.

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    Black artists at a “disproportionate disadvantage” at the Grammys? What the hell? Look, if you’re talking about doing “safe” music, that is a CHOICE. People like H.E.R. exist after all. Heck, Stevie Wonder is one of the three artists to have won AOTY thrice.

    Top 10 H.E.R wins in the general field:

    FYC
    AOTY: After Hours, Fetch The Boltcutters, Folklore, Future Nostalgia, K Bye For Now, Magdalene, Please Excuse Me For Being Antisocial, Punisher

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    This is so transparent. You’re basically saying that the only way an album by a black artist could win is by help of BLM, not on merit. And since Butterfly and Lemonade, two very political albums, couldn’t do it, even with massive acclaim, then After Hours certainly couldn’t do it. Even though there’s just as much of an argument to make that maybe it being less political could actually help him.

    It’s not transparent, it’s straightforward. Grammy are racist, there’s no denial. Black artists need BLM to counter that whether you like it or not. If people still denying this then, we should stop discussing  about Taylor getting blocked just to avoid another potential white winner.

    Currently digging :

    * Joji - Nectar
    * Sufjan Steven - The Ascension
    * Marsicans - Ursa Major
    * Holly Humberstone - Falling Asleep At The Wheel
    * Rich Brian - 1999

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    People : “NARAS will give AOTY to black artist. They don’t want any backlash especially during this climate.”

    Also people : “Black artist wins AOTY have nothing to with BLM, stop discrediting them please”.

    In reality both situations have a very strong correlation. Period

    Currently digging :

    * Joji - Nectar
    * Sufjan Steven - The Ascension
    * Marsicans - Ursa Major
    * Holly Humberstone - Falling Asleep At The Wheel
    * Rich Brian - 1999

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    Grammy are racist, there’s no denial. Black artists need BLM to counter that whether you like it or not.

    Those things do not follow each other. Lauryn Hill didn’t win because of BLM, nor did Outkast. The Grammys are less racist now than then, and the voters more diverse.

    If Abel were to win AOTY with an apolitical album, then it’s simply racist to say it would just be due to a political decision by voters. And so the microaggressions and false narratives continue in here…

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    Black artists at a “disproportionate disadvantage” at the Grammys? What the hell? Look, if you’re talking about doing “safe” music, that is a CHOICE. People like H.E.R. exist after all. Heck, Stevie Wonder is one of the three artists to have won AOTY thrice.

    Are you choosing to be this ignorant? Did you ignore everything Tyler the Creator said about the Grammys last year after his win and the entire reason they changed the category names only this year? Categories like Urban Contemporary has been racialised since the Grammys first acknowledged that genre of music, even the VMAs this year placed Blinding Lights in R&B despite it being a synth-wave 80s pop song. That was the entire point of what The Weeknd spoke about in his interview for Rolling Stone, that black artists are nominated either in racialised categories to be rewarded there or nominated in GF categories but rarely ever win. Deborah Dugan herself exposed the racism she saw last year. Kendrick Lamar should’ve never lost twice with projects like DAMN and To Pimp A Butterfly. In the last 10 years in the GF, 4 out of 40 winners were black, and you’re telling me that that seems fair to you, especially in an institution dominated by white people when black people have been some of the most influential in the shaping of musical genres?

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    Those things do not follow each other. Lauryn Hill didn’t win because of BLM, nor did Outkast. The Grammys are less racist now than then, and the voters more diverse. If Abel were to win AOTY with an apolitical album, then it’s simply racist to say it would just be due to a political decision by voters. And so the microaggressions and false narratives continue in here…

    Grammy less racist? Good, now we can conclude that both 1989 and 25 won over TPAB and Lemonade simply because the albums were superior than the latter. Now folklore also have no issue of getting blocked by BRP. Case closed and now everyone is happy. Yay!

    Currently digging :

    * Joji - Nectar
    * Sufjan Steven - The Ascension
    * Marsicans - Ursa Major
    * Holly Humberstone - Falling Asleep At The Wheel
    * Rich Brian - 1999

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    I’m afraid if The Weeknd wins AOTY (I’m still not convinced, no matter how much “campaigning” he does), that the Academy will feel the need to not reward another [actually] deserving black artist for a long time, no matter the acclaim or success.

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    Wanna bet that the ones acting like After Hours doesn’t deserve to win because it’s not as great as Lemonade or TPAB would have been the first ones to attack Bey and Kendrick had they released this year anyway ? I know y’all were ready to write these thinkpieces about writing credits, pandering to black people, their music being too political and BLM’ed etc

    Y’all don’t give a single fuck about equality/equity and black artists being recognized, no matter how acclaimed, successful and deserving they are, hence the constant microagressions. Cut the bullshit already

    FYC :

    Best Actress - Viola Davis
    Best Actor - Delroy Lindo, Chadwick Boseman
    Best Supp Actress - Glenn Close
    Best Supp Actor - Yahya Abdul-Mateen II

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    I will first say that the Grammys are inherently racist there’s no doubt about it. A lot of it might have to do with the correlation that black music tends to be R&B/ rap, require more writers, be more vulgar lyric wise, usually not “commercial”, and just not as “safe”. Bruno benefitted from being “commercial”. He had the hits. This isn’t always the case but lets not act like R&B/ rap and very explicit music isn’t at a disadvantage in the general field.

    To be fair, epiphany has a point. I have seen so many posts saying Taylor can’t make it in / win a year like this. Saying this and that about all the diversity articles making it even more likely that Taylor is at a disadvantage. You can’t say that there is no way Taylor won’t win in a year like this without acknowledging that BLM could possibly help Abel. One does not exist without the other at least IMO. Yes, The weekend and potentially any black Artist could win AOTY without BLM but looking at the history of the Grammys it’s unlikely to happen. It not out of the question to say it could at least help him. It doesn’t make Abel any less worthy of a winner. He was the frontrunner even before BLM because of the sheer commercial success of Blinding Lights. It’s a very complicated topic and there is no “perfect” answer or solution.

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    Are you choosing to be this ignorant? Did you ignore everything Tyler the Creator said about the Grammys last year after his win and the entire reason they changed the category names only this year? Categories like Urban Contemporary has been racialised since the Grammys first acknowledged that genre of music, even the VMAs this year placed Blinding Lights in R&B despite it being a synth-wave 80s pop song. That was the entire point of what The Weeknd spoke about in his interview for Rolling Stone, that black artists are nominated either in racialised categories to be rewarded there or nominated in GF categories but rarely ever win. Deborah Dugan herself exposed the racism she saw last year. Kendrick Lamar should’ve never lost twice with projects like DAMN and To Pimp A Butterfly. In the last 10 years in the GF, 4 out of 40 winners were black, and you’re telling me that that seems fair to you, especially in an institution dominated by white people when black people have been some of the most influential in the shaping of musical genres?

    Oh, I’m “ignorant”? Gurl, please.

    The VMAs putting The Weeknd in R&B just says they’re dumb. Period.

    Chez the Grammys, when you do Pop, you’ll be in Pop. Lizzo branded “Truth Hurts” as a Rap song but went on to win a Pop Grammy.

    This “Urban Contemporary is black pop” argument is BS to me. Other than Lizzo, who still hit the UC mark at the end of the day, what albums that have won here should’ve been in pop? Moreover, why the hell do they submit here if they don’t like the category then? Because I doubt the academy has the time to “relegate” every pop vocal submission by blacks to UC. How the hell was UC “racialized”???

    Tyler, the Creator was only expressing his opinions about the category and not “outing” anyone per se.

    Regarding Dugan’s “exposing,” (coincidentally just moments after she got fired) we’ll see how that holds up in court.

    That “4 out of 40” thing doesn’t even hold up—are you implying that the remaining 36 weren’t deserving to some degree? Really? PLEASE.

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