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That hip-hop has historically not fared well in the top three Grammy categories partly reflects the aesthetic preferences of older voters. They tend to favor the authenticity of “real music” made on “real instruments” over the digital sampling and laptop production technology embraced by many hip-hop artists and producers.
“I’m sorry, but I’m not a rap fan,” said veteran saxophonist, composer and arranger Tom Scott, 74, who has 13 Grammy nominations and two wins to his credit.
“I’d love for them to come up with their own style of music, rather than sampling. I know I’m sounding really old-fashioned, like an old fart.”
ReplyCopy URL1. Renaissance She’s about to become the most awarded person in Grammy’s history, she’s well past overdue to win AOTY, and she released an extremely well-received, well-crafted, critical and commercial smash album over 20 years into her career. They’ve slighted her in the past, but this just feels like the time for Beyoncé to finally take it home; If she doesn’t, it really will be a question of what more does she have to do? I struggle to see it going any other way. 2. 30 Adele needed to be undeniable in order to take this, and I just don’t see that being the case. Taylor won her 3rd AOTY because folklore was undeniable, a career-defining magnum opus. (Not to mention, up against much weaker competition.) There’s no narrative to Adele winning this for an album that failed to make a splash, anchored by a lead single that is significantly less memorable than any of her more organic hits. If Beyoncé wasn’t in this category, I’d say Adele takes it just by nature of being Adele, but I don’t think that’s going to carry her through this time. (The argument of 25 vs. Lemonade doesn’t hold up because 25 was a much different situation than 30.) 3. In These Silent Days I don’t see this being a year where commercially successful megastars are upset by an industry act, but if it is, this is Brandi’s to lose. She clearly has credibility amongst her peers, and has only become more high profile after stepping into her role as Joni Mitchell’s handler. I think both Beyoncé and Adele have enough passion behind them that one of them will take it, but this wouldn’t be the craziest win. It’s really just between these 3 for me. ABBA and Mary J. Blige were namecheck nominations, Kendrick has lost for much bigger/better albums against weaker competition, Bad Bunny won’t rally enough support from the larger voting body to win it all, and Lizzo/Coldplay/Harry are just happy to be there.
This isn’t meant as shade, but you don’t live in the real world if you don’t think Adele’s album “made a splash”. Sure, maybe she didn’t have the 3,000 PR articles posted like we always get with Taylor’s albums, but the public was absolutely tuning in, streaming, buying, and paying attention to her with the same awe and respect as always. Her 5x Emmy-winning live special proves that as it went viral and was lauded all across the industry.
The thing about Adele is that she doesn’t need to be flashy. She doesn’t need articles and glowing reviews to get the industry talking. The industry pays attention and loves her simply because of who she is.
That’s not to say she has it in the bag 100%, but some of you are fooling yourselves trying to downplay what a force she still is and will forever be.
Adele winning isn’t the issue. I think it’s Adele winning over Beyoncé again. Especially when Bey has the more acclaimed album again. That’s gotta be the big pushback against Adele.
More acclaimed according to whom? People on the Internet? Definitely not the Grammys. It’s clear the industry views Beyonce’s work much more differently than the Internet pundits who often will praise albums for clicks and out of fear of a popstar’s fanbase. At the end of the day, it’s clear the Grammys do not care about what reviews say.
ReplyCopy URLBeyoncé or Adele? Will history be made, or repeated, at the 2023 Grammy Awards? And what about Bad Bunny? That hip-hop has historically not fared well in the top three Grammy categories partly reflects the aesthetic preferences of older voters. They tend to favor the authenticity of “real music” made on “real instruments” over the digital sampling and laptop production technology embraced by many hip-hop artists and producers. “I’m sorry, but I’m not a rap fan,” said veteran saxophonist, composer and arranger Tom Scott, 74, who has 13 Grammy nominations and two wins to his credit. “I’d love for them to come up with their own style of music, rather than sampling. I know I’m sounding really old-fashioned, like an old fart.”
Considering that both mainstream and underground rap artists utilize live musicians for original instrumentation for their work ALL THE TIME this particular quote is not only “out of touch” its a downright LIE. And its not even a “new” thing within Hip Hop to utilize original instrumentation without sampling. Namely Kendrick Lamar
ReplyCopy URLMore acclaimed according to whom? People on the Internet? Definitely not the Grammys. It’s clear the industry views Beyonce’s work much more differently than the Internet pundits who often will praise albums for clicks and out of fear of a popstar’s fanbase. At the end of the day, it’s clear the Grammys do not care about what reviews say.
I think you’re greatly overblowing the impact this album had, especially when compared to her last 2. When I say it didn’t make a splash, I’m not pretending no one tuned in; Adele is one of the biggest album artists active right now, of course people listen when she drops.
I’d argue that I do live in the real world, where the biggest stories to come out of this album cycle were the last-minute cancellations of her Vegas show and the fact that she practically shut down vinyl production to mass-produce a record that greatly underperformed in vinyl sales and ended up on sale for 9.99 a year later.
The Grammy’s obviously love Adele — though the argument that Beyoncé is any less adored by voters is faulty, considering she received more noms this cycle than Adele. There’s obviously a really, really good chance she wins here, which is why I have her at a strong 2nd. But for the reasons I explained, I just don’t think this album and its cycle was strong enough to overtake Beyoncé, a massive name in the industry operating at her best who is overdue for an AOTY win.
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https://www.billboard.com/lists/beyonce-beck-frank-sinatra-the-phenomenon-of-make-up-grammys/ billboard just posted this backhanded ass article lmao. renaissance has enough acclaim to warrant an aoty win without it being sympathy, although i do agree she may get a few “sympathy” votes after 25 vs lemonade
I don’t care what ANYBODY says, Supernatural deserved that AOTY in 2000. That album was undeniable and did an excellent job of reintroducing Santana and his music to a younger generation. Make up award my ass
ReplyCopy URLConsidering that both mainstream and underground rap artists utilize live musicians for original instrumentation for their work ALL THE TIME this particular quote is not only “out of touch” its a downright LIE. And its not even a “new” thing within Hip Hop to utilize original instrumentation without sampling. Namely Kendrick Lamar
I agree 100% with you. But it’s a fact that songs and albums that use samples aren’t taken seriously by old-school voters.
ReplyCopy URLI think you’re greatly overblowing the impact this album had, especially when compared to her last 2. When I say it didn’t make a splash, I’m not pretending no one tuned in; Adele is one of the biggest album artists active right now, of course people listen when she drops. I’d argue that I do live in the real world, where the biggest stories to come out of this album cycle were the last-minute cancellations of her Vegas show and the fact that she practically shut down vinyl production to mass-produce a record that greatly underperformed in vinyl sales and ended up on sale for 9.99 a year later. The Grammy’s obviously love Adele — though the argument that Beyoncé is any less adored by voters is faulty, considering she received more noms this cycle than Adele. There’s obviously a really, really good chance she wins here, which is why I have her at a strong 2nd. But for the reasons I explained, I just don’t think this album and its cycle was strong enough to overtake Beyoncé, a massive name in the industry operating at her best who is overdue for an AOTY win.
Oh, I’m not even talking about “impact”. Very few albums have impact, but lack of impact hasn’t stopped the Grammys from awarding albums in the past.
The voters prefer Beyonce for smaller awards, though, and that’s my point. There’s something about Beyonce the voters do not feel is “worthy” of the night’s top prize. I don’t know what it is, and I do kind of agree the narrative is in her favor this year, but nothing has really changed with how Beyonce creates her music that would warrant changing the voters’ minds regarding that. Lemonade and self-titled were also considered to be her magnum opuses at the time and the Grammys still said, “no, thank you”, and self-titled had a massive impact and changed the game for many artists. If B loses again, I have no idea what it would take for her to finally get these people on her side.
ReplyCopy URLThe Grammy’s obviously love Adele — though the argument that Beyoncé is any less adored by voters is faulty, considering she received more noms this cycle than Adele.
But THIS is faulty. Beyoncé is able to get “more noms” than Adele because she is an “urban” artist and is able to get into more fields than Adele, who got into every single category she was submitted to as a performer and songwriter this time around. And Beyoncé got two more noms than Adele. You’re behaving as if Adele lost out a bunch of nominations to Beyoncé. Adele is still ahead in general field wins by like six wins, despite being 13 total Grammys behind Beyoncé. This is why people feel that Beyoncé has been slighted, despite being the most awarded solo artist ever.
And if people in your “real world” are talking about how Adele’s vinyl is selling for only $9.99 or how she cancelled her already rescheduled and successful residency 10 months ago, then you need to find a new “real world” because it sounds ridiculously lame and boring. Stop using these anecdotal situations because they are not believable. Those are internet based stories that came and went & served no real impact in the real world. And let’s be real… Swifties’ issue with Adele winning another AOTY Grammy has nothing to do with Beyoncé but more to do with Taylor. Grow up.
ReplyCopy URL“I’m sorry, but I’m not a rap fan,” said veteran saxophonist, composer and arranger Tom Scott, 74, who has 13 Grammy nominations and two wins to his credit.
Honey, snobby ass old white voter dude. It is well-known that Beyoncé does NOT write her songs despite giving herself songwriting credit. The tons of samples and the laundry list of producers probably turn some voters off. She may NOT be perceived as a “real” musician.
ReplyCopy URLI think you’re greatly overblowing the impact this album had, especially when compared to her last 2. When I say it didn’t make a splash, I’m not pretending no one tuned in; Adele is one of the biggest album artists active right now, of course people listen when she drops.
I’d argue that I do live in the real world, where the biggest stories to come out of this album cycle were the last-minute cancellations of her Vegas show and the fact that she practically shut down vinyl production to mass-produce a record that greatly underperformed in vinyl sales and ended up on sale for 9.99 a year later.
The Grammy’s obviously love Adele — though the argument that Beyoncé is any less adored by voters is faulty, considering she received more noms this cycle than Adele. There’s obviously a really, really good chance she wins here, which is why I have her at a strong 2nd. But for the reasons I explained, I just don’t think this album and its cycle was strong enough to overtake Beyoncé, a massive name in the industry operating at her best who is overdue for an AOTY win.
Which impact did Jon Batiste’s album have last year when it comes to critics or success? Especially compared to SOUR
The Grammys don’t care, they vote for what they like.
ReplyCopy URLAnd if people in your “real world” are talking about how Adele’s vinyl is selling for only $9.99 or how she cancelled her already rescheduled and successful residency 10 months ago, then you need to find a new “real world” because it sounds ridiculously lame and boring. Stop using these anecdotal situations because they are not believable. Those are internet based stories that came and went & served no real impact in the real world. And let’s be real… Swifties’ issue with Adele winning another AOTY Grammy has nothing to do with Beyoncé but more to do with Taylor. Grow up.
That “real world” sounds more like Internet Swifties lol
And you’re right. They don’t care about Beyoncé, they just don’t want Adele to tie Taylor’s 3 AOTY wins. They will celebrate even if Brandi wins.
ReplyCopy URLThat “real world” sounds more like Internet Swifties lol
And you’re right. They don’t care about Beyoncé, they just don’t want Adele to tie Taylor’s 3 AOTY wins. They will celebrate even if Brandi wins.
I wish they would just stop hiding behind Beyoncé and admit that they don’t want Adele to tie Taylor. Taylor is behind one of Beyoncé’s losses, and Beyoncé was probably second that year. People even think if it wasn’t for the Kanye controversy that Beyoncé could have won it. So, the itching and scratching to finally award Beyoncé what she deserves isn’t legitimate from them.
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