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Album of the Year
We Are - Jon Batiste
Love For Sale - Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga
Justice - Justin Bieber
Planet Her - Doja Cat
Happier Than Ever - Billie Eilish
Back of My Mind - H.E.R.
Montero - Lil Nas X
Sour - Olivia Rodrigo
Evermore - Taylor Swift
DONDA - Kanye West
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    M
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    Apparently criticizing Tony/Gaga’s campaigning methods is now racist. That is certainly a take.

    I believe the user maybe didn’t express their thoughts well, but their point is valid. I mean look at how a white artist (Justin Bieber) is potentially robbing a black artist (Lil Nas X) and preventing them from rightfully winning a grammy in a traditionally black category, by using his star power to make the grammy’s give in to whatever nonsense he was saying last year (sorry I don’t care but his song is just not R&B, if Ariana couldn’t be accepted there, I don’t see why Justin can). How many pages of spam do we see here bringing that up? Or discussing the other fraudulent BNA entry from Finneas (mind you Cardi B was not allowed to compete in BNA only because she was nominated before)?

    You can’t help but notice the discrepancy between the level of energy people have for criticizing really egregious practices like those, and the level of energy they have for tearing down other women over much less egregious things (moving the release date by 1 day lol). Part of the reason why stan culture is toxic, is again because many find pleasure in tearing down female popstars other than their fave, as if you can’t like more than one artist at once lol. And sometimes it’s so subconscious that they don’t even realize it.

    So yes, moving the release date by 1 day is cheesy (albeit compliant with the grammy rules), we all agree. But I wish people had the same energy for the more serious stuff that’s happened at the Grammy’s over the years.

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    This is quite an interesting way of phrasing it lol. Gaga fans aren’t upset that people don’t think Love for Sale will win; I’m a Gaga stan who doesn’t think it’ll win (I also didn’t think it’d nominated so what do I know). People got upset because of the accusations that Tony’s wife, son, and close friend (Gaga) are exploiting him. People who don’t like Gaga were being malicious and hiding behind faux moral outrage. Those are very important details that add context.

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    Anyways, three wins for L4S are a near lock, imo. I can’t fathom IGAKOOY winning ROTY, though. It doesn’t compute in my brain.

    The dysfunction started way before those accusations. I really have no horse in that race.

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    It is completely normal to talk about your last project in the way they’re talking. You’re old and you want your career to get the recognition it deserves. His family/team are on board and they want the industry to say goodbye to Tony in the most thoughtful way possible. But y’all just have a problem with it because it’s about Gaga too. Hypocrites.

    This is just another example:

    Hayao Miyazaki Prepares to Cast One Last Spell
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/t-magazine/hayao-miyazaki-studio-ghibli.html?smid=tw-share

    Go and write an email to the NEW YORK TIMES about how they’re exploiting Hayao Miyazaki for clicks.

    And then please sit tf down.

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    I believe the user maybe didn’t express their thoughts well, but their point is valid. I mean look at how a white artist (Justin Bieber) is potentially robbing a black artist (Lil Nas X) and preventing them from rightfully winning a grammy in a traditionally black category, by using his star power to make the grammy’s give in to whatever nonsense he was saying last year (sorry I don’t care but his song is just not R&B, if Ariana couldn’t be accepted there, I don’t see why Justin can). How many pages of spam do we see here bringing that up?

    This is terrible example. Lil Nas X didn’t even submit anything to R&B?

    Or discussing the other fraudulent BNA entry from Finneas?

    I have criticized this and I’m not sure why you’re implying that people here like the nom. I’ve seen exactly one user say he should be eligible.

    So yes, moving the release date by 1 day is cheesy (albeit compliant with the grammy rules), we all agree. But I wish people had the same energy for the more serious stuff that’s happened at the Grammy’s over the years.

    I can have a problem with more than one thing the grammys have done. Why is this a difficult concept?

    Give Ariana DeBose an oscar

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    I didn’t check the submissions thoroughly, but I’m sure another deserving artist will be robbed anyway in his stead, but the point stands: It’s so easy for a white popstar to wield their power and compete anywhere they want. And as usual pop stans have no issues with that, or the level of hypocrisy, between allowing a white man to compete in BNA after winning 7 grammy’s and preventing a woman of color from competing there solely because she was nominated before.

    Sure, you can choose what you complain about and what your priorities are. But that makes it transparent, when you’re clearly more interested in tearing down other women for a goddamn cassette release rather than caring about the issues that actually matter. Stans are subconsciously the most misogynistic people you’ll ever find online. And they absolutely have no right to claim/talk about any morals when they’re clearly sleeping on the more serious stuff that’s happening.

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    If you really wanna take the SJW route, then fine:

    It’s kind of racist to assume Lil Nas X sent anything to R&B. There’s nothing in his discography that’s even remotely R&B.

    You’re a man calling women misogynistic. That’s a lot more sexist than me disliking how this album is being campaigned.

    I have called Finneas being eligible for BNA fraud for literally over a year now. Stop trying to make me out to be some anti-feminist. It’s very weird.

    Give Ariana DeBose an oscar

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    It’s so easy for a white popstar to wield their power and compete anywhere they want. And as usual pop stans have no issues with that,

    Not only is this racism talk extremely random and has zero relation with today’s discussion… but how on earth can you type that sentence when we are literally shaming a white pop star (Gaga)’s tactics and behaviour???

    Monsters do ANYTHING to deflect my God!

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    You’re a man calling women misogynistic. That’s a lot more sexist than me disliking how this album is being campaigned.

    Oh women can very much be misogynistic, especially subsconscious bias. Society has unfortunately a major role in how women are pit against each other and feel the need to compete with one other. Again I don’t wanna rehash this, but you would think that the biggest fuss on Golderby would be about Bieber competing in a traditionally-black category, or Finneas given the white privilege and allowed to compete when Cardi B was denied, but NO!

    It had to be about a 95 year old legend who moved release date by one day so that his family could cheer him up with some more grammy’s before he passes away.

    All I can say is check your priorities. That’s all, and have a good day!

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    Oh women can very much be misogynistic, especially subsconscious bias. Society has unfortunately a major role in how women are pit against each other and feel the need to compete with one other.

    I truly hate using this term but this like the perfect example of mansplaining.

    Give Ariana DeBose an oscar

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    Not only is this racism talk extremely random and has zero relation with today’s discussion… but how on earth can you type that sentence when we are literally shaming a white pop star (Gaga)’s tactics and behaviour???

    Monsters do ANYTHING to deflect my God!

    You missed the point. So I suggest you read again. All I said is when you bring up morals, check your priorities, there’s more egregious shit than happened this year than a 95 year old trying to be eligible for this year before he passes away.

    Just yikes, I keep being disappointed by the absolute lack of any moral compass in stan culture. You’ll always weaponize “morals” when tearing down female competitors of your fave. But when it’s about things that actually matter, your voice is no where to be found. So yes complain all you want about LFS, but please miss me with the fake “morals” talk. That’s all.

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    Tony Bennett and Gaga winning for Music Video would be the biggest tomfoolery the Grammys have ever committed.

    This is the same Grammys that allowed “Who Let The Dogs Out” to win a category lol

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    Oh, honey I been at work all day. How we get racism omg ?

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    tony’s team or whoever is running his campaign is definitely exploiting him and the fact that it’s his last album for very, very obvious reasons it’s not a hard thing to grasp it’s the truth

    I can’t believe people are claiming he’s fully consenting to all of this when the man literally has late-stage dementia… like that’s the definition of not being able to fully consent 😭 I mean it’s not the end of the world, but why are people acting like Tony is genuinely steering the ship here

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    I can’t believe people are claiming he’s fully consenting to all of this when the man literally has late-stage dementia… like that’s the definition of not being able to fully consent 😭 I mean it’s not the end of the world, but why are people acting like Tony is genuinely steering the ship here

    The plan was fromthe start of recording (LIKE ANY OTHER ARTIST WOULD) to submit to the grammys and I’m sure with only the intent of the catagory he dominates and that absolutely was his and team’s choice. Life happened and was unfair and is taking him away from us and there was a major change in momentum towards them (album is perfection so I can’t complain) and we are where we are now. At some point he did steer the ship during the opening stages but his team and Gaga are steering now and want him to get one last grammy or possibly multiple and I don’t blame them since he deserves them if he does.

    EDIT: forgot the Weeknd doesnt submit anymore so I should say any other artist besides him

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    The album was Tony’s idea, he wanted to do it before his Alzheimer gets worse. His son and wife are helping with the promotion, Tony was excited to do LFS so I asume he probably told them to campaing the album, all the performances were recorded a couple of months ago, right when he retired for good by doctor’s orders. It’s true they released the album on the last day of elegibity, maybe they did it so Tony could somehow still awknowledge what it means winning a Grammy during January 2022 and not wait a whole year where his mental state will get worse, so yeah, they took advantage of that to have a chance of winning big and say farewell to Tony with a huge bang, but it’s the Grammys fault for allowing the release but in the end if the Grammys nominated them is because they wanted too.

    Finally, people are making a big deal about it because Tony and Gaga have a huge chance of winning in the general field, especifically AOTY, if LFS had recieved only noms for Traditional Pop Vocal Album and Pop Duo, no one will be giving it a second thought.

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