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    Ziggiy
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    They need to add a “Best Traditional Rap Album” category and rename Best Rap Album to “Best Progressive Rap Album” as Rap as a genre has definitely outgrown only having one album category.

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    I agree with the split between categories. I like some of the category changes made for the 2012 ceremony, but I think the Academy cut off some good stuff too.

    In my opinion:

    Rap: I enjoy the change from Rap/Sung Collab to Melodic Rap  – highlighting a different rap style in it’s own category, however, I think both categories should stay as there is a difference between a singing collab and a singing/rap collab

    My opinion for Rap:

    Rap Album, Traditional Rap Album, Rap Solo Performance, Rap Group/Duo Performance, Rap Song, Melodic Rap Performance, Rap/Sung Collaboration

    My opinion for Pop:

    Pop Vocal Album, Traditional Pop Album, Pop Solo Performance, Pop Song, Pop Group/Duo Performance, Pop Collaboration w/ Vocals, Traditional Pop Vocal Performance

    I agree that a Traditional Performance Category would be ideal, as well as seperating groups from collabs because the lineup ends up being 5 collabs every year almost

    My opinion for R&B:

    R&B Album, Progressive R&B Album, R&B Solo Performance, R&B Group/Duo Performance, Traditional R&B Performance, R&B Song

    • just adding a collab/group category

    My opinion for Rock:

    Rock Solo Performance, Rock Group/Duo Performance, Rock Song, Rock Album, Metal Performance

    • same here, rock is mostly groups, so this gives solo artists more chances to shine

    Alternative:

    Alternative Performance, Alternative Album

    • long overdue for a performance category

    Country:

    Country Solo Performance, Country Song, Country Group/Duo Performance, Country Album

    • Country is the one main category that I can’t see adding anything

    What would these categories mean for the 2022 grammys if they happened?

    1.  Butter & Higher Power would be moved to a seperate category for groups/duos, with 3 new nominees
    2. 2 more pop collabs would be nominated
    3. IGAKOOY would be in traditional performance, meaning Kiss Me More is the likely winner of PCWV
    4. Pop Song would probably still go to Olivia Rodrigo
    5. Rap Album would lose Nas to Traditional, and with only 3 nominees would need more slots, (Megan?)
    6. Nas, in turn, would hands down win Traditional Rap Album, and I see many rap veterans winning in this category
    7. With there being solo and collab categories, Kendrick & Keem would mos likely win duo/group with a bunch of new nominees and Cardi would win Solo with new nominees
    8. Rap/Sung Collab is up in the air, but it was a very interesting category that I think would be interesting
    9. Silk Sonic would hands down win group/duo in R&B with Jazmine & H.E.R. fighting it out in solo
    10. Almost all of the rock performance nominees move to group/duo, making way for new nominees in solo
    11. Alternative I can see additional nominations for St. Vincent, Arlo, Taylor, Lana, Billie, Japanese Breakfast

     

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    No contemporary R&B or hip-hop album has won album of the year since OutKast’s Speakerboxxx/The Love Below 18 years ago. There’s a perception among some leading contemporary R&B and hip-hop artists that the Grammys will invite them to perform on the show, give them front-row seats and awards in genre categories, but will rarely give them awards in marquee categories.

    Mason is aware of that perception, and the friction it has caused. “We take it very seriously,” he says. “First off, I sympathize with some of the issues that have been raised. But I do think it’s got to be correlated to our voting membership. As we start to learn more about the genres that are preferenced by our voting membership, we start to understand why some of the voting goes the way that it does. Which in turn has made us realize ‘Okay, we’ve got to make sure our voters are reflective of what’s happening in the industry and what type of music is being made.’

    “That’s what has led us to our membership initiative, which is inviting different groups to join the Academy instead of doing what we’ve done in the past, which was sit back and wait for people to ask us to join. We can no longer afford to do that. We have to make sure we’re going into the different genres and inviting people – relevant music people – to come and join so we can make sure when it comes time to vote, and when there have been groups that have felt underrepresented or underserved, that we have the membership to support them and honor them with a reflective vote.”

    We can read the article here

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    What is transparent or progressive about changing what once resembled a democratic process in as many ways possible until the outcome fits what one person says is correct? Regardless of whether Twitter stans or the artists themselves have given Mason a reason to believe the GRAMMYS should reward different albums / songs, the fact he has no problem saying they are looking into members’ preferences and how it influences voting should be troubling.

    Music is subjective. Members should be able to vote for whomever they’d like without 1 man expanding fields at the last second because he doesn’t like the responses. They shouldn’t be harassed about “preferences” in order to sway future results. By all means, have an inclusive approach to membership, provide ample opportunities for exposure and growth of different kinds of music; but, cancel the Awards if it is going to be so shocking that opinions will differ as to what ONE Album, Record, and Song should win each year.

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    I agree with the split between categories. I like some of the category changes made for the 2012 ceremony, but I think the Academy cut off some good stuff too.

    At some point, splitting the genres into so many different categories waters down the fields and lessens the prestige of a nomination and win. This is already happening, IMO, with the continued arbitrary expansion of the General Field lineups. Between 10 nominees, and the rule to acknowledge < 33% featured collaborators, collecting multiple AOTY nominations in a career is starting to look less and less impressive, for example.

    I think having consistent categories, and rules for how and when a work qualifies, within the genres is most important. Not only does Pop need an award for Best Pop Song, it should be clear why a Lady Gaga can’t ever submit to Dance or Country, or why a Miley Cyrus or Beyonce can submit to Rock / R&B. Either come up with ways to recognize crossover achievement / guidelines on cross-genre submissions, or restrict artists to the genre where their album is submitted, for example.

    My key list of changes:

    1. General Field = Album of the Year, Record of the Year, Song of the Year; 4 nominees from the popular vote + up to 4 selections from the BRP (total: minimum 5, maximum 8).
    2. Remove BNA or move it to a new field with the Producer categories and potentially add Songwriter of the Year.
    3. Pop = Add “Best Pop Song,”  change BPSP to “Best Pop Performance,” and change BPD/G to “Best Pop Crossover / Collaboration.”
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    I agree with the split between categories. I like some of the category changes made for the 2012 ceremony, but I think the Academy cut off some good stuff too. In my opinion: Rap: I enjoy the change from Rap/Sung Collab to Melodic Rap – highlighting a different rap style in it’s own category, however, I think both categories should stay as there is a difference between a singing collab and a singing/rap collab

    My opinion for Rap: Rap Album, Traditional Rap Album, Rap Solo Performance, Rap Group/Duo Performance, Rap Song, Melodic Rap Performance, Rap/Sung Collaboration

    My opinion for Pop: Pop Vocal Album, Traditional Pop Album, Pop Solo Performance, Pop Song, Pop Group/Duo Performance, Pop Collaboration w/ Vocals, Traditional Pop Vocal Performance I agree that a Traditional Performance Category would be ideal, as well as seperating groups from collabs because the lineup ends up being 5 collabs every year almost

    My opinion for R&B: R&B Album, Progressive R&B Album, R&B Solo Performance, R&B Group/Duo Performance, Traditional R&B Performance, R&B Song

    • just adding a collab/group category

    My opinion for Rock: Rock Solo Performance, Rock Group/Duo Performance, Rock Song, Rock Album, Metal Performance

    • same here, rock is mostly groups, so this gives solo artists more chances to shine

    Alternative: Alternative Performance, Alternative Album

    • long overdue for a performance category

    Country: Country Solo Performance, Country Song, Country Group/Duo Performance, Country Album

    • Country is the one main category that I can’t see adding anything

    They actually had an R&B Duo/Group category before. I agree with the Traditional Pop Performance.

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    They are going in the wrong direction. Just a few years ago (2018 award show) there were 5 nominated albums for AOTY and to be a nominee, you needed to be credited for 33% of the playing time.

    Now there are 10 nominated albums and everyone remotely involved with the album is credited with an AOTY nomination (although I notice the pages on grammy.com still aren’t updated).

    These aren’t bold changes, they’re devaluing the general field awards, especially AOTY.

    In a few years, we will find that half the industry has an AOTY nomination, including music management people like Scooter Braun and people that no one has ever heard of before. Soon it will be almost a joke to say you have an AOTY nomination.

    They need to take steps to make AOTY a respected award again.

    With government polices moving further away from any attempts at Covid elimination, they might want to think about a permanent change to the date of the Grammy award show. Perhaps Covid is not a seasonal disease, but human behaviour is seasonal and we tend to get more indoor transmission in winter,

    But right now, the ceremony for the 2022 award show is in doubt.

    With Omicron rampant and new COVID cases surging, discussion is said to be ongoing at the Recording Academy about the possibility of postponing the Grammys once again—as well as the option to move to an outdoor venue such as the Hollywood Bowl.

    Word has it that co-executive producer Raj Kapoor is running point on this issue from a production standpoint, along with CBS exec Jack Sussman and Academy chief Harvey Mason Jr. There are multiple complex issues to navigate here, but we understand that artists have begun to push back against the idea of doing the show as previously scheduled.

    The idea of just going ahead with the show and potentially letting hundreds of people get sick isn’t a good option.

    If there was a permanent move to a later date for the award show, they might be able to align the eligibility period with something much closer to the calender year.

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    Imo:

    33% of playing time contribution to be credited for AOTY

    Visual media should keep its committee because this year’s nominees for Best Music Video were majority popular acts whose music videos were not worthy of their nominations (Looking at you IGAKOOY, LTDO, G4U)

    Add these new categories

    Best Pop Song

    Best Rock Solo Performance

    Best Rock Du/Group Performance

    Best Alternative Song

    Best R&B Solo Performance

    Best R&B Duo/Group Performance

    Mejor Canción Pop

    Mejor Canción Rock/Música Alternativa

    Mejor Canción Música Urbana

    Mejor Canción Regional Mexicana

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    What would it take for movie awards to go genderless too?

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