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    Hey all,
    So as I’ve been doing the Golderby’s top 20 songs contest, I’ve been thinking about how preferential voting would affect the Grammy’s.

    So maybe this could be a good experiment. All of the data will be made public so that we can take a look at the differences between the two systems. The primary method here is preferential, but i’ll be posting parallel winners based on the grammy’s current method to see where a split exists.

    This is not about predictions. Vote as if you were a voter, based on who you think deserve the Grammy’s. The aim is to study in which type of categories preferential voting can make a difference, to see maybe if there’s any instances of picks that got enough #2nd and #3rd picks to win despite not having enough #1s etc..

    I’m hoping that enough people vote in the GF categories to make any result substantial enough. Here are the lists below (I suggest right clicking and opening in a new tab):

    REMEMBER TO RANK YOUR PICKS!

    Record of the Year
    Album of the Year
    Song of the Year
    Best New Artist
    Best Pop Solo Performance
    Best Pop Duo/Group Performance
    Best Pop Vocal Album
    Best Progressive R&B Album
    Best Rap Performance
    Best Melodic Rap Performance
    Best Rap Song
    Best Rap Album
    Best Music Video

    Thank you in advance!

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    No one has time for preferential voting. One of the main problems with the Grammys is not enough people voting – just 500 in the first round voting.

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    Can you make for as many categories as possible?

    Country, Rock, Alternative and American Roots preferably?

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    Can you make for as many categories as possible?

    Country, Rock, Alternative and American Roots preferably?

    I can add some categories tomorrow. But some categories have few votes.

    Best Pop Duo/GP has the most votes at the moment, 19 so far. Record of the Year second. But some of the other categories haven’t generated much interest. But I’ll try to add them.

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    No one has time for preferential voting. One of the main problems with the Grammys is not enough people voting – just 500 in the first round voting.

    What do you mean “No one has time”.. It won’t take the voters much longer than the current system. And I think ideally we’ll need it at least in the GF. Also that 500 number is for the first round, this system is regarding the second round. And regardless of the turnout, it can still make a difference.

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    The main problems are in the first round – just ask The Weeknd

    But even if we focus on final round voting, there are still problems with this idea. Preferential voting can have advantages in political elections, for example the Far Right party or the Communists might have a popular candidate, but not many people outside those parties support base will be willing to give their second preference to those extreme candidates.

    The successful candidate will need some mainstream appeal – preferential voting tends to filter out the extremists and arguably promotes political stability.

    But ask yourself who are the ‘extremists’ in Music and the answer is pretty clear, the extremist genres are Rap, Punk and any other genre or artist that might be considered controversial (e.g. David Bowie back in the 80s). Expect more wins for Adele, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars and other safe artists.

    But music awards need more ‘extremist’ wins and upsets.

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    Preferential won’t take any much longer than normal voting.

    The 500 estimate was for FIRST ROUND VOTING, which is prpbably low because no voter wants to fish 8 nominees among a thousand submissions.

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    I can add some categories tomorrow. But some categories have few votes. Best Pop Duo/GP has the most votes at the moment, 19 so far. Record of the Year second. But some of the other categories haven’t generated much interest. But I’ll try to add them.

    I tried voting in the Pop categories and it didn’t allow me submit my vote. Is there a limit or something?

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    Also, come submissions for 2022 Grammys era, can you make something like this again to sort of predict the nominees?

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    I tried voting in the Pop categories and it didn’t allow me submit my vote. Is there a limit or something?

    Hmm, I voted everywhere just fine

    BTW Bop by DaBaby is missing from Rap Perf

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    Gold Derby + Grammy 2021 picks = BARF!

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    Hmm, I voted everywhere just fine BTW Bop by DaBaby is missing from Rap Perf

    Worked now.

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    I don’t know how to edit the OP without deleting the entire thread (I hate this bug), but I’ll post the newly added categories here since there seems to be a lot of interest, many categories have gotten 40+ votes so far:

    Best Rock Performance
    Best Metal Performance
    Best Rock Song
    Best Rock Album
    Best Alternative Music Album
    Best R&B Performance
    Best Traditional R&B Performance
    Best R&B Song
    Best R&B Album
    Best Country Solo Performance
    Best Country Duo/Group Performance
    Best Country Song
    Best Country Album
    Best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media
    Best Song Written For Visual Media

    This is not a highly competitive year so we cant see the full impact of preferential voting, but in the main categories I’m seeing a split in BNA. The two systems give two different winenrs.

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    Hmm, I voted everywhere just fine BTW Bop by DaBaby is missing from Rap Perf

    thanks, yeah i’ll use grammy direct website from now on. But I can’t edit OP links without deleting the whole thread unfortunately.

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    The Grammys website has the occasional glitch. How does Calvin Harris have a nomination from 1984?

    Did you also notice on nominations day how Julian Lage’s previously nominated work “Tomorrow Is the Question” showed up again on Improvised Jazz Solo?

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