Golderby’s Grammy 2021 picks (Preferential Voting experiment)

[M Joined: Sep 27th, 2017 Topics: 7 Posts: 4480 View Predictions]

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Hey all,
So as I’ve been doing the Golderby’s top 20 songs contest, I’ve been thinking about how preferential voting would affect the Grammy’s.

So maybe this could be a good experiment. All of the data will be made public so that we can take a look at the differences between the two systems. The primary method here is preferential, but i’ll be posting parallel winners based on the grammy’s current method to see where a split exists.

This is not about predictions. Vote as if you were a voter, based on who you think deserve the Grammy’s. The aim is to study in which type of categories preferential voting can make a difference, to see maybe if there’s any instances of picks that got enough #2nd and #3rd picks to win despite not having enough #1s etc..

I’m hoping that enough people vote in the GF categories to make any result substantial enough. Here are the lists below (I suggest right clicking and opening in a new tab):

REMEMBER TO RANK YOUR PICKS!

Record of the Year
Album of the Year
Song of the Year
Best New Artist
Best Pop Solo Performance
Best Pop Duo/Group Performance
Best Pop Vocal Album
Best Progressive R&B Album
Best Rap Performance
Best Melodic Rap Performance
Best Rap Song
Best Rap Album
Best Music Video

Thank you in advance!

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[alex.g Joined: Sep 20th, 2017 Topics: 1 Posts: 498 View Predictions]

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No one has time for preferential voting. One of the main problems with the Grammys is not enough people voting – just 500 in the first round voting.

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[JennyLewisFan Joined: Sep 3rd, 2019 Topics: 9 Posts: 1712 View Predictions]

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Can you make for as many categories as possible?

Country, Rock, Alternative and American Roots preferably?

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[M Joined: Sep 27th, 2017 Topics: 7 Posts: 4480 View Predictions]

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JennyLewisFan wrote:

Can you make for as many categories as possible?

Country, Rock, Alternative and American Roots preferably?

I can add some categories tomorrow. But some categories have few votes.

Best Pop Duo/GP has the most votes at the moment, 19 so far. Record of the Year second. But some of the other categories haven’t generated much interest. But I’ll try to add them.

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[M Joined: Sep 27th, 2017 Topics: 7 Posts: 4480 View Predictions]

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alex.g wrote:

No one has time for preferential voting. One of the main problems with the Grammys is not enough people voting – just 500 in the first round voting.

What do you mean “No one has time”.. It won’t take the voters much longer than the current system. And I think ideally we’ll need it at least in the GF. Also that 500 number is for the first round, this system is regarding the second round. And regardless of the turnout, it can still make a difference.

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[alex.g Joined: Sep 20th, 2017 Topics: 1 Posts: 498 View Predictions]

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The main problems are in the first round – just ask The Weeknd

But even if we focus on final round voting, there are still problems with this idea. Preferential voting can have advantages in political elections, for example the Far Right party or the Communists might have a popular candidate, but not many people outside those parties support base will be willing to give their second preference to those extreme candidates.

The successful candidate will need some mainstream appeal – preferential voting tends to filter out the extremists and arguably promotes political stability.

But ask yourself who are the ‘extremists’ in Music and the answer is pretty clear, the extremist genres are Rap, Punk and any other genre or artist that might be considered controversial (e.g. David Bowie back in the 80s). Expect more wins for Adele, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars and other safe artists.

But music awards need more ‘extremist’ wins and upsets.

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[Boz Joined: Jan 19th, 2020 Topics: 23 Posts: 3290 View Predictions]

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Preferential won’t take any much longer than normal voting.

The 500 estimate was for FIRST ROUND VOTING, which is prpbably low because no voter wants to fish 8 nominees among a thousand submissions.

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[JennyLewisFan Joined: Sep 3rd, 2019 Topics: 9 Posts: 1712 View Predictions]

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M wrote:

I can add some categories tomorrow. But some categories have few votes. Best Pop Duo/GP has the most votes at the moment, 19 so far. Record of the Year second. But some of the other categories haven’t generated much interest. But I’ll try to add them.

I tried voting in the Pop categories and it didn’t allow me submit my vote. Is there a limit or something?

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[JennyLewisFan Joined: Sep 3rd, 2019 Topics: 9 Posts: 1712 View Predictions]

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Also, come submissions for 2022 Grammys era, can you make something like this again to sort of predict the nominees?

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[Boz Joined: Jan 19th, 2020 Topics: 23 Posts: 3290 View Predictions]

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JennyLewisFan wrote:

I tried voting in the Pop categories and it didn’t allow me submit my vote. Is there a limit or something?

Hmm, I voted everywhere just fine

BTW Bop by DaBaby is missing from Rap Perf

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[Gucci Joined: Dec 1st, 2019 Topics: 0 Posts: 17028 View Predictions]

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Gold Derby + Grammy 2021 picks = BARF!

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[JennyLewisFan Joined: Sep 3rd, 2019 Topics: 9 Posts: 1712 View Predictions]

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Boz wrote:

Hmm, I voted everywhere just fine BTW Bop by DaBaby is missing from Rap Perf

Worked now.

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[M Joined: Sep 27th, 2017 Topics: 7 Posts: 4480 View Predictions]

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I don’t know how to edit the OP without deleting the entire thread (I hate this bug), but I’ll post the newly added categories here since there seems to be a lot of interest, many categories have gotten 40+ votes so far:

Best Rock Performance
Best Metal Performance
Best Rock Song
Best Rock Album
Best Alternative Music Album
Best R&B Performance
Best Traditional R&B Performance
Best R&B Song
Best R&B Album
Best Country Solo Performance
Best Country Duo/Group Performance
Best Country Song
Best Country Album
Best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media
Best Song Written For Visual Media

This is not a highly competitive year so we cant see the full impact of preferential voting, but in the main categories I’m seeing a split in BNA. The two systems give two different winenrs.

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[M Joined: Sep 27th, 2017 Topics: 7 Posts: 4480 View Predictions]

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Boz wrote:

Hmm, I voted everywhere just fine BTW Bop by DaBaby is missing from Rap Perf

thanks, yeah i’ll use grammy direct website from now on. But I can’t edit OP links without deleting the whole thread unfortunately.

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[JennyLewisFan Joined: Sep 3rd, 2019 Topics: 9 Posts: 1712 View Predictions]

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The Grammys website has the occasional glitch. How does Calvin Harris have a nomination from 1984?

Did you also notice on nominations day how Julian Lage’s previously nominated work “Tomorrow Is the Question” showed up again on Improvised Jazz Solo?

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