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    It was nominated but deserved to win, that’s more of like robbed than snubbed.

     

    Eh i felt like Nas was the one who was robbed personally in 2013. Life Is Good was and still is an incredible album.

     

     

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    Will Smith’s music career was impactful & paved the way for many rappers to crossover into Mainstream Pop. But looking back…his wins didn’t age well 💀. The VMAs loved him too. He won Best Male Video back to back lol. I remember one year he randomly won an AMA for Pop/Rock Male Artist back in 04/05 😂

     

    I’d say out of his 4 wins, realistically he was deserving of two of them. 99 for Getting Jiggy Wit It and 92 for Summertime. And even out of those two i’d really only debate or argue that he was 100% deserving for Summertime, which is an all time Hip Hop classic that NOBODY could ever diss or downcast.

     

    Like you said Will’s impact in helping to bring Hip Hop to the mainstream cannot be taken lightly. He’s also underrated when it comes to his skill as an MC, he was never elite but he was never wack. Big Willie Style is objectively a very good album that was good for kids/teens to be able to listen and vibe to without parents having to worry about cursing/violent content.

     

    But FOUR TIME Grammy award winner? Including the FIRST EVER Hip Hop grammy? Thats definitely pushing it a little lol

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    Will winning for Men In Black is also weird because SWV’s Coko pretty much carries the song. I know they didn’t have Rap/Sung back then but it probably should’ve been placed in the R&B/Duo or Group category.

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    The fact that Kanye wasn’t even nominated for AOTY for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is simply mind blowing

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    Will winning for Men In Black is also weird because SWV’s Coko pretty much carries the song. I know they didn’t have Rap/Sung back then but it probably should’ve been placed in the R&B/Duo or Group category.

    A lot of that was going on in the ‘90s. The feature would be discredited so the main artist could be placed in Rap Solo. The fraud.

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    A lot of that was going on in the ‘90s. The feature would be discredited so the main artist could be placed in Rap Solo. The fraud.

     

    Thats not true at all.

     

     

    Coko of the group SWV did not WANT to be credited for the song nor appear in the video because she was afraid the song was too corny and would hurt her credibility. As a matter of fact, everyone involved with the music side of Will’s career at the time was hesitant to be publicly associated with him because gangsta rap was the biggest sub-genre of the time and being seen as “corny” was a death knell. Tone & Poke of  the super production group Trackmasters didn’t initially want to work with Will Smith either. Nas, who ghostwrote a few songs on Big Willie Style (including Gettin Jiggy Wit It) didn’t want to work with him either and had to be convinced by Steve Stoute (at the time his manager) to write lyrics for the album.

     

    NOBODY knew Men In Black (song) was going to be as big as it ended up being and that Will Smith’s music career was going to be resurrected so successfully.

     

     

    https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/this-star-refused-to-be-in-the-men-in-black-music-video-with-will-smith.html/

     

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.www.complex.com/music/2011/10/interview-steve-stoute-jay-z-nas-the-tanning-of-america

     

     

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    With the “Men in Black” win, I actually don’t mind the win that year for Rap Solo although “The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)” and “Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Could See” would have been worthy winners.

    The following year with “Gettin’ Jiggy Wit It” however, I would have gone with “Lost Ones” instead.

    For Rap/Sung Collaboration, I’m glad that “Let Me Blow Ya Mind” won the first award in the category, I think the other songs were underwhelming. Also, Melodic Rap is such as a silly name for the category.

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    Nicki probably thought she’d win Rap Song for “Anaconda” over Kendrick’s “I”. It was probably the strongest shot she had at becoming a GRAMMY recipient. Correct me if I’m wrong but it was the most successful single in the category? It definitely had hype.

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    Honey, in the interview below from a few months ago (around the 6:20 mark), Coko from SWV addresses the “Men In Black” rumors.  She mentioned her record label did NOT allow her to be in the “MIB” music video and her name could NOT be used in connection to the song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuhoo84BnT4

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    With the “Men in Black” win, I actually don’t mind the win that year for Rap Solo although “The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)” and “Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Could See” would have been worthy winners.

    The following year with “Gettin’ Jiggy Wit It” however, I would have gone with “Lost Ones” instead.

    For Rap/Sung Collaboration, I’m glad that “Let Me Blow Ya Mind” won the first award in the category, I think the other songs were underwhelming. Also, Melodic Rap is such as a silly name for the category.

    You don’t think “Hypnotize” would have been a good winner?

    Thats not true at all.

    I don’t know much about the “Men in Black” story, but I know in general, the committee allowed rap/sung collaborations to compete in solo very often. Please see “If I Ruled the World (Imagine That),” “Hey Lover,” “Gangsta’s Paradise,” etc.

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    Nicki probably thought she’d win Rap Song for “Anaconda” over Kendrick’s “I”. It was probably the strongest shot she had at becoming a GRAMMY recipient. Correct me if I’m wrong but it was the most successful single in the category? It definitely had hype.

     

    the Grammys HAD to make up for disgustingly awarding Macklemore over Kendrick in 2014 so they gave Kendrick “make up” Grammys. Even though I really like “I” and the message of the song, it could have gone either way between Kendrick or Nicki for that particular category. I’m not going to say it was a huge travesty or anything because as stated before I is a great song, but that particular year was clearly one of those “Our Bad” make up grammys for Kendrick

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    I don’t know much about the “Men in Black” story, but I know in general, the committee allowed rap/sung collaborations to compete in solo very often. Please see “If I Ruled the World (Imagine That),” “Hey Lover,” “Gangsta’s Paradise,” etc.

     

    i’m aware of those categories and years but the poster made it seem as if Coko wasn’t given feature credit on the song JUST so that Will could win a solo grammy which wasn’t true. There was a concerted effort from many people behind Will’s music comeback to NOT have their names associated with him because nobody knew that he was going to have such success and they were afraid to be associated with something that could be labeled “corny”.

     

    The fact that If I Ruled The World, which CLEARLY featured Lauryn Hill and was part of the song’s marketing. And Hey Lover, which again clearly featured Boys 2 Men, were allowed to compete in the solo category, simply makes no sense lol

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    For “Hypnotize”, its a fine song and would have been a fine winner, however, I personally prefer the other songs nominated in that category that year.

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    Keep dreaming!  Will Smith totally deserved all four of his Grammy wins.

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    ^True. Kendrick got 2 undeserved Grammy wins for “I”. It’s a good song but it’s not the Best Rap Song of 2014 nor was it the Best Rap Performance. Drake, KANYE & Nicki were all robbed.

    I would go:

    Best Rap Performance:

    Drake – 0 to 100/ The Catch Up
    runner up: Childish Gambino – 3005

    Best Rap Song:

    Kanye West – Bound 2 f/ Charlie Wilson
    Runner up: Nicki Minaj – Anaconda

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