How Did Babel beat El Camino?

[PopGuy Joined: Sep 27th, 2011 Topics: 35 Posts: 4106 View Predictions]

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Was anyone else as shocked as I was the night Adele Announced “Babel” as the winners for Album of the Year? I remember watching the pre-telecast and The Black Keys we’re sweeping every category they were up for. They beat Mumford and Sons in every category the two bands were up against. I remember this forum went absolutely insane! I feel like that was the most surprising win of the last decade. As far as AOTY goes. What do you guys think contributed to Mumford and Sons upset? Also how would you rank the nominees that year and who do you think came in second and third, etc.

1. Babel – Mumford and Sons
2. El Camino – The Black Keys
3. Channel Orange – Frank Ocean
4. Blunderbuss – Jack White
5. Some Nights – fun.

Congratulations to Grammy Winners: Jazmine Sullivan, Doja Cat, SZA and Olivia Rodrigo!

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[Gucci Joined: Dec 1st, 2019 Topics: 0 Posts: 15605 View Predictions]

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Honey, the correct question is… How in the Jessica Simpson did Babel beat Channel Orange?

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[ELIAS✨ Joined: Nov 29th, 2017 Topics: 24 Posts: 4369 View Predictions]

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Gucci wrote:

Honey, the correct question is… How in the Jessica Simpson did Babel beat Channel Orange?

Say it louder for the people in the back!!!!! Gucci your mind!

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[Monet Tejada Joined: Sep 27th, 2011 Topics: 2 Posts: 4157 View Predictions]

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Commercial success, familiarity and recency won. Babel was released right before cutoff.

Not really an upset.

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[arodfan Joined: Mar 25th, 2020 Topics: 7 Posts: 689 View Predictions]

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El Camino and Channel Orange are both fantastic albums. They would’ve been my No.1 and No.2. First Channel Orange, then El Camino. Either one would have been a great choice. Since I’m picking Channel Orange, I’d give The Black Keys ROTY,  not only because “Lonely Boy” is a fantastic song, but also as a makeup award for missing out on the big one.

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[Ojodiamante Joined: Nov 6th, 2010 Topics: 3 Posts: 209 View Predictions]

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Monet Tejada wrote:

Commercial success, familiarity and recency won. Babel was released right before cutoff.

Not really an upset.

I agree.

But the question is How did Babel beat 3 rock/alternative acts without split the votes in favor of Channel Orange.

I love Mumford and Sons but “El Camino” must have won that night.

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[PopGuy Joined: Sep 27th, 2011 Topics: 35 Posts: 4106 View Predictions]

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You can say comercial success all you want but El Camino had impact and success of its own. That album was huge.

Congratulations to Grammy Winners: Jazmine Sullivan, Doja Cat, SZA and Olivia Rodrigo!

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[braydenfitzsimmons Joined: May 3rd, 2015 Topics: 89 Posts: 7714 View Predictions]

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The real question is how did Babel win AOTY when it lost its genre category.

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[Emmyfan Joined: Nov 26th, 2010 Topics: 18 Posts: 1639 View Predictions]

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braydenfitzsimmons wrote:

Mumford and Sons

Best Americana Album

Bonnie Raitt Slipstream – WINNER
The Avett Brothers – The Carpenter
John Fullbright – From the Ground Up
The Lumineers – The Lumineers
Mumford & Sons – Babel

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[Darren Joined: Feb 6th, 2017 Topics: 6 Posts: 1184 View Predictions]

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Mumford & Sons’ first album was a sleeper smash and Babel was an instant blockbuster. They were huge in the early 2010s. It really wasn’t a surprise win at all.

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[Darren Joined: Feb 6th, 2017 Topics: 6 Posts: 1184 View Predictions]

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braydenfitzsimmons wrote:

The real question is how did Babel win AOTY when it lost its genre category.

Well first of all, they lost Americana Album to an album that wasn’t nominated in AOTY, just like The Suburbs losing Alternative Album, so there’s the argument to be made that Bonnie Raitt (and the Black Keys 2 years earlier) could have been competitive for AOTY wins had they been nominated.

There’s also the possibility that people voting in the Americana categories felt that M&S didn’t belong there and should have been slotted in rock, and/or that they wanted to support an underdog instead of the commercial giants.

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[Darren Joined: Feb 6th, 2017 Topics: 6 Posts: 1184 View Predictions]

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PopGuy wrote:

You can say comercial success all you want but El Camino had impact and success of its own. That album was huge.

Yes, but Babel was bigger. It also had a pop crossover hit unlike El Camino.

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[ScottyDog Joined: Nov 24th, 2011 Topics: 0 Posts: 320 View Predictions]

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The album was huge at the time. People don’t love them now, but at the time they had a huge following and it was really more surprising that they lost their other categories. El Camino stood the test of time, but Babel was the favourite that year.

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[fortheculture Joined: Nov 12th, 2019 Topics: 0 Posts: 338 View Predictions]

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The album that has the most support from alternative voters is often too alternative to do well in the GF. El Camino is poppy and accessible but not to the same extent as Babel. Babel competed in Alternative, but it got most of its support from top 40/pop voters who didn’t vote in the alternative category.

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