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Joe Alwyn now credited as a producer and AOTY winner for Folklore

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    maxinho
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    Scammys indeed.
    I wonder how Antonoff and Dessner must feel.

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    So would it be possible for someone to just decide to add a bunch of artists without a Grammy to their album to give them wins? Like could Billie Eilish add Katy Perry as a producer on her AOTY win and Katy would just… have a Grammy then?? It’s definitely a system that needs fixing.

    I’m sure there is a cutoff where credits can no longer be amended.

    But this isn’t a lot different to some pop artists who claim song-writing credits, because they sat in the room with the song-writers and made some suggestions about the song and claim production credits because they sat in the room with the producers.

    But usually those artists (let alone their friends) don’t win AOTY.

    Beyoncé has a Grammy for Best Surround Sound Album.

    The award goes to the engineer, mastering engineer (if any) and producer. These used to be called Surround Engineer, Surround Mastering Engineer and Surround Sound Producer, respectively, but from 2020 the descriptions are Immersive Audio Engineer, Immersive Audio Mastering Engineer and Immersive Audio Producer, respectively. Performing artists do not receive the award, except if they are also the surround (mastering) engineer or the surround sound producer.

    Not sure if she was the engineer, mastering engineer or producer.

    Taylor also appears to be listed as art director on Folklore, so presumably if Folklore won Best Recording Package, she would have won another Grammy there (Folklore wasn’t nominated).

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    I really don’t understand what’s the point of this… And he’s credited as Joe Alwyn not William Bowery? But good for him though.

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    Cool! get It King Joe!

    FYC: Grammys 2022

    AOTY: evermore
    ROTY, SOTY, Pop Solo: willow
    Pop Album: evermore
    Pop Duo: evermore w Bon Iver
    Rap Song/ Melodic Rap: closure
    Dance Recording: long story short
    Remix Recording: Love Story (elvira)
    Country Solo/Country Song: cowboy like me
    Country Duo: You All Over Me w Marren Morris
    American Roots Perf/Song: ivy
    Gospel Per: epiphany (live)
    Rock Perf/Song: ‘tis the damn season
    Music Video: willow
    Music Film: folklore studio sessions

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    How is this allowed to be retroactively added? He was not credited as a producer on any of those songs in the physical versions of the album or in general until now. If Swifties are claiming that she did it because she didn’t want their relationship to overshadow the album, why would she have credited some songs and not others? There was no mention of him producing any songs in the film she dedicated to the album. You should get the credit you actually contributed to. Would she have given these credits to him if folklore hadn’t won AOTY?…

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    i realy don’t care about it lmao remind me why should we

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    Scammys indeed. I wonder how Antonoff and Dessner must feel.

    It is not like their Grammys were taken away.As long as they are not losing part of royalties and his name is just added for the Grammy,they probably don’t care. Especially Antonoff who is very good friends with her.

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    i realy don’t care about it lmao remind me why should we

    Some people have morals

    FYC - Lil Nas X
    MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) - ROTY, SOTY, Best Pop Solo Perf., Best Music Video
    INDUSTRY BABY - Best Melodic Rap Perf., Best Rap Song
    MONTERO - AOTY, Best Pop Vocal Album

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    This is fraud.. I don’t believe he produced any of those songs. Why would Joe want a grammy though, isnt he an actor?

    A Grammy is still a Grammy though.

    Most actors try to EGOT eventually in their career, so at least he has one of those already.

    FYC - Lil Nas X
    MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) - ROTY, SOTY, Best Pop Solo Perf., Best Music Video
    INDUSTRY BABY - Best Melodic Rap Perf., Best Rap Song
    MONTERO - AOTY, Best Pop Vocal Album

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    I don’t have any issue with credits. Most of the pop stars force themselves to get credited after changing nothing and get soty noms and awards. So not some huge moral code is breached but it doesn’t make sense why she messed with credits so late so he could win one. It is not like people are going to recognise him as a grammy winning producer and rush to him for producing their songs.

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    Maybe he would take up some producing gigs in the future? Who knows. A Grammy is still a huge deal anyway I think he’s also won an Oscar for one of his films? (I’m not sure at all I just saw someone on twt saying this) Not him being halfway to EGOT already .. 💀

    No lol he doesn’t have an Oscar nom let alone win. His movie got best pic oscar noms and he does choose interesting/oscar baity movies.

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    To the best of my knowledge .. producer/songwriting credits are given even if a person contributes a single word or is present in the same room and this is something that we know has been exploited by a lot of popular artists.

    From the grammys web site:

    Award to Artist(s) and to Featured Artist(s), Songwriter(s) of new material, Producer(s), Recording Engineer(s), Mixer(s) and Mastering Engineer(s) credited with at least 33% playing time of the album, if other than Artist.

    It depends on whether you believe he really contributed to 33% of the playing time.

    In some albums you’ll see credits split into “production” and “additional production”, where “additional production” signifies that that person was not the main producer of the track.

    In the long run, this win for Joe is just going to reduce the credibility of the Grammys one more small step. It really is about who you know and not so much about the music and what you contribute to that music.

    But the Grammys have survived many previous setbacks (whatever happened to Deborah Dugan?) and the show will continue like it always does.

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